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To: cweese

Good. Maybe there will be justice for this poor creature after all. She was following orders to "humiliate" the prisoners -- not torture them. Since the Geneva Convention does not apply to nonuniformed terrorists, what the hell is her crime?

It's pretty sorry that they are burning a couple of low ranking enlisteds for all of this.


8 posted on 05/04/2005 11:40:46 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Elpasser

You said it.

I'm still wondering what kind of excuse it is for the top brass to go around basically admitting that discipline in their prisons had totally broken down, and guards were doing whatever the hell they wanted.

"Hey, don't blame me, I'm just the commanding officer!"


12 posted on 05/04/2005 11:45:50 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: Elpasser

"...what the hell is her crime?"

Her crime is giving Ted Kennedy, Dan Rather and other lefties ammunition to disparge all the good men and women in uniform.


22 posted on 05/04/2005 11:53:04 AM PDT by AngieGOP (I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: Elpasser
I agree - we should be looking at the people in charge. Lyndie is guilty of having an inept chain of command, first and foremost.
54 posted on 05/04/2005 1:06:22 PM PDT by risk
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To: Elpasser

It has nothing to do with violating the Geneva Convention. It has to do with violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


66 posted on 05/04/2005 1:42:04 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (IF YOU HATE DEMOCRATS - CLAP YOUR HANDS!!! clap clap clap)
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To: Elpasser
Good. Maybe there will be justice for this poor creature after all. She was following orders to "humiliate" the prisoners -- not torture them. Since the Geneva Convention does not apply to non uniformed terrorists, what the hell is her crime?

It's pretty sorry that they are burning a couple of low ranking enlisteds for all of this.

Your statement on the Geneva Convention issues is so poorly worded and thought out that it weakens the valid arguments that are correctly made excluding terrorists from POW status.

The Geneva Convention does deal with the status and treatment of all classifications of individuals in and after combat. Lawful combatants; terrorists and unlawful combatants; common criminals; detainees found already incarcerated; and Lawful combatants that have become POWs through surrender, capture or laying down of weapons without surrender, are all covered in the provisions.

The poorly run prison had many or each type, plus questionable detainees. Its management was poorly done, but not unbelievable in a combat zone with a terror war unfolding.

Temporary poor management oversight by the Prison Commander and the Military Intel Commander on the site was not the cause of the cluster of abusive actions by a deranged group of idiots. Sure, if the poor management hadn't existed the abuse would have been stopped and corrected before reaching the level it did, but the abuse was done by this vile collection of people including the other woman who put England and "lover boy" up to taking the pictures.

The abuse made the problem not double the problem of the poor management, but instead, a hundred-fold much worse. There is no comparison.

I care deeply that our military service people and their image was at all impacted by the conduct of the people actually carrying out this abuse. Saying that they were scapegoats is what the incompetent Reserve General in charge of the prison is claiming -- I don't believe it from any of them.

71 posted on 05/04/2005 2:04:15 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Elpasser

This is likely to result in her being incarcerated for longer than she would have been if she had not allowed her idiot civilian lawyer to hedge and plead "almost guilty". She will now be fully charged, and is highly unlikely to be given a second chance at such a cushy plea bargain.


85 posted on 05/04/2005 4:43:04 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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