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To: betty boop

Okay - I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue what this is talking about. Anybody out there to summarize in layman's terms?


2 posted on 05/04/2005 10:50:08 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

I think it is saying that Tasmanian devils are different than dust devils. ;-)


6 posted on 05/04/2005 11:00:20 AM PDT by linear (You men can't fight in here - this is the War Room!)
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To: mlc9852

Very basic argument: If the universe tends to become disorderly on its own (entropy), then how can one explain evolution, which is supposedly a naturally occuring tendency towards order.


10 posted on 05/04/2005 11:03:56 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: mlc9852
Okay - I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue what this is talking about. Anybody out there to summarize in layman's terms?

Hi mic9852! Posted this on my lunch hour, but am now back to work. Will try to boil this down for you this evening. Stay tuned!

27 posted on 05/04/2005 11:32:49 AM PDT by betty boop (If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking. -- Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: mlc9852
Autocatakinetics,

I think you have to be really limber to do it.

102 posted on 05/05/2005 9:30:46 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: mlc9852

"Okay - I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue what this is talking about. Anybody out there to summarize in layman's terms?"

It will take a while for me to digest, but my first reading SEEMS close to what I think, as a mechanical engineer who is very into thermodynamic processes. In closed systems, disorder (entropy) controls the evolution. In open systems, local order creation accelerates universal entropy, so evolution is actually preferred, not disallowed as creationists assume, by the second law.

That said, to me there appears to be an evolutionary gradient, an attractor, to which we are drawn (a directionality to evolution). So, I think of myself more as a crevo than evolutionist OR creationist. God created a evolutionary gradient.


108 posted on 05/05/2005 10:22:29 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: mlc9852

"Okay - I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue what this is talking about. Anybody out there to summarize in layman's terms?"

The article is attempting to disprove evolution by dragging out the old "it violates thermodynamics" argument, all tarted up in a lot of pseudoscientific glossolalia.

Evolution doesn't violate thermodynamics, of course, because living things on Earth gain their order at the cost of expending lots of energy, and the Sun is constantly pumping energy into the system.


190 posted on 05/09/2005 11:48:16 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: mlc9852
>I don't have a clue what this is talking about. Anybody out there to summarize in layman's terms?


196 posted on 05/14/2005 8:25:55 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: mlc9852

....according to which the transformation of disorder to order was said to be infinitely improbable....

Thus opening the field for the infinite improbability drive and the Heart Of Gold.

This piece also allows for cultural evolution as in Christian evolution or the changes in Christianity over the years. We are now wittnessing a bout of Islamic evolution, the outcome of which is in doubt. As Darwin said, unsuccesgul selection fails to endure.


206 posted on 05/15/2005 11:31:37 AM PDT by bert (Rename Times Square......... Rudy Square.)
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To: mlc9852
This one is tough for me, too. But I was noticing an article tn the paper about an experiment in which Canaries were raised in isolation and taught alternate tunes. But when spring came, they sang the canary nating call. I do wonder how DNA controls or predicts this.
216 posted on 05/16/2005 8:00:09 AM PDT by cookcounty ("We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts" ---Abe Lincoln, 1858.)
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To: mlc9852

read later with dictionary handy


223 posted on 05/17/2005 7:38:21 AM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: mlc9852; betty boop; orionblamblam; Paradox; Cyber Liberty; linear
Here's a link that sheds some order to this discussion.

I remember when I was taking thermodynamics in college I always had trouble doing entropy problem. I eventually got to the "aha moment" when I finally understood that it only applies to CLOSED systems. The earth is not a closed system - there is a net amount of energy falling on it (from the sun) and that is what allows it to become more "orderly".

227 posted on 05/19/2005 11:21:49 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: mlc9852

The sun hasn't run out of gas yet.


243 posted on 05/22/2005 10:31:51 AM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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