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The Nuclear Power Option
New York Times ^ | 5/4/05 | Editors

Posted on 05/04/2005 4:44:49 AM PDT by ricks_place

In his sketchy speech on energy policy last week, President Bush placed a high priority on nuclear energy, which he described as "one of the safest, cleanest sources of power in the world." The president had good reason to suggest an important role for this much-feared energy source.

The price of natural gas ... has risen sharply...global warming may dwarf any environmental risk posed by nuclear power. It is therefore critical to keep nuclear power as part of the nation's energy mix. But Mr. Bush will have to address some crucial concerns before the public will follow him down the nuclear path with much enthusiasm.

For starters, there is the awkward fact that nuclear power plants pose a risk of proliferating the materials and skills to make nuclear weapons...

Beyond that, Mr. Bush will need to ensure that the pools holding spent fuel at domestic nuclear plants can be made safe from terrorists...

Finally, one familiar impediment to nuclear power - the high capital costs required...

None of these concerns need rule out this promising source of power. But they will need to be addressed forthrightly.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; energysources; nuclear; nuclearpower; power; windmills
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his sketchy speech on energy policy last week

Always start the editorial with a shot at President Bush.
Beyond that a shocker...the NYTimes says go Nuclear power.
1 posted on 05/04/2005 4:44:49 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

Gotta wonder what the subtext is for this sudden conversion on the part of the Times. It can't be that they've come to their senses. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.


2 posted on 05/04/2005 4:52:48 AM PDT by Arkie2
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If we are serious about this, we have several nuclear subs that have been and will be decommissioned over the next few years. Theu use the S6F nuclear reactor, that puts out 23MW of power. Keep the subs in harbor producing power for the grid.
The people close to Seabrook NH power plant were nuts about nuclear power, but never bothered with the nuclear subs in Portsmouth NH, just 10 miles away. These people are morons.
3 posted on 05/04/2005 5:01:25 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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What we really need is lots of nice clean windmills, not those filthy dirty nukes.


4 posted on 05/04/2005 5:02:02 AM PDT by biblewonk (Good heavens a Yale man!)
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Mea culpa that should read S6G reactors.


5 posted on 05/04/2005 5:02:29 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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I just sailed past one of those clean windmills in Hull MA yesterday. It was generating power, no noise and no dead birds. But Phat Teddy Kennedy, and houseboy Kerry are fighting them being put within eyesight of their multi million dollar abodes.


6 posted on 05/04/2005 5:04:56 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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I like your idea of using old Nuclear subs, I have some room at my dock and wouldnt mind docking it there for a slight fee.


7 posted on 05/04/2005 5:13:22 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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The thing that is so stupid is that we put these boats, and carriers into harbor all over the US and there is no problem, but try and build a reactor and the enviros go whacko. Imagine all the nukes in San Diego or Norfolk, or in Everett WA.
The people in Cambridge MA declared themselves a nuclear free zone. We won't remind them of course that MIT and Harvard has mini-reactors for research, as well as nuclear materials used in medical research. Morons! all Morons!
8 posted on 05/04/2005 5:34:01 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (Warning: Frequent sarcastic posts)
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I just sailed past one of those clean windmills in Hull MA yesterday. It was generating power, no noise and no dead birds. But Phat Teddy Kennedy, and houseboy Kerry are fighting them being put within eyesight of their multi million dollar abodes.

That's so cool because I just recently read about that particular windmill and how successful it has been. The big new modern ones are beautiful and it's quite ironic that you sailed past it. Usually when developers put a few windmills in a location, within a short time the people like them so much that they want more. I think that in Hull they have a Vestas V47 which is about the smallest you could get a couple years ago, now it's a V52. Since the V47 has worked so well they are going to erect a V80 next.

9 posted on 05/04/2005 5:46:32 AM PDT by biblewonk (Good heavens a Yale man!)
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What we really need is lots of nice clean windmills, not those filthy dirty nukes.

The best place to build more nukes is here in Arizona, where the political climate is more suitable. At the Palo Verde site, we have three reactors on a stable site that could accommodate 20. This would provide the energy that California needs, and the jobs that Arizona needs.

10 posted on 05/04/2005 6:08:21 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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I think the best place to build nukes is some other planet. The radioactive fuel/waste is too much of a problem, even if you can convince someone that an accident is impossible. Kind of like the Titanic when the guy said "Even God couldn't sink this ship". I almost hear that from the pro nuke crowd about nuke plant accidents.

I'll take windmills.

11 posted on 05/04/2005 6:11:39 AM PDT by biblewonk (Good heavens a Yale man!)
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Since using nuclear power is so critical, I think we need to addss the irrational fears that probably developed in those being schooled during the "duck and cover" post WWII days.

If I were in President Bush's position I'd be out there talking about the French and their "clean power," energy independence and other rah-rah stuff.

Then I'd tell some stories about mankind first taming fire and making it safe, now, finally succeeding in making the atom safe ...all warm and fuzzy stuff to hit the emotions rather than the head. Thinkers have already figured out nuclear is safe.


12 posted on 05/04/2005 6:13:49 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: ricks_place

Thats should be "newcular"!


13 posted on 05/04/2005 6:18:33 AM PDT by Delta 21 (MKC USCG -ret)
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Finally, one familiar impediment to nuclear power - the high capital costs required...

Seems like a major cost, at least in the past, was that incurred having to deal with the litigation brought on by the environmental and anti-nuke wackos!

We took the kids on a tour at the Seabrook Nuke plant in NH a couple of years ago. They had actually built TWO containment vessels, but only ever opened one because the court cases for the first plant dragged on for 10 years, and they didn't want to have to go through the same thing trying to bring the second plant on line.

14 posted on 05/04/2005 6:20:55 AM PDT by SuziQ (988)
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...lots of nice clean windmills...

Windmills slice and dice our fine feathered friends.
Don't get PETA started.
15 posted on 05/04/2005 6:31:02 AM PDT by ricks_place
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Windmills slice and dice our fine feathered friends. Don't get PETA started.

Not as much as trucks, cars, planes and buildings, and not at all at sea. The unique thing about wind power types is that they actually get concerned about it which makes us easy targets for people to manipulate.

16 posted on 05/04/2005 6:40:43 AM PDT by biblewonk (Good heavens a Yale man!)
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Windmills suck, plus they chop up all the birds.


17 posted on 05/04/2005 6:43:13 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: From many - one.
Thinkers have already figured out nuclear is safe.

That's a bit condescending. I think a lot of it is sheer ignorance. For example, one poster here talked about the dangers of radioactive waste. That's ignorance speaking. If you use breeder reactors and reprocess the fuel, the final products when you are finished are all very low-level.

Disposal is another item of ignorance. The best disposal method is to drop the waste into an oceanic trench and let subduction pull it into the mantle

Reactor melt-down is another item of ignorance. Pebble bed reactors can't melt down. The pebbles already have the proper control elements mixed in with the fuel. The pebbles simply radiate a fixed amount of heat until the fuel is used up. You toss a bunch of them in a heat exchanger and create electricity.

Toxicity. This is another item of ignorance. People think radioactive materials are the most toxic substances on the planet. Simply not true.

All this is one more thing we can thank Jane Fonda for with her asinine film The China Syndrome. I still remember getting in an argument with my teacher over that film when they showed it in class. First, I asked her why the crap were they showing a hollywood movie as a documentary? Then I told her that automatic release systems would simply drop the control rods in should the water levels get too low, and the reactor would shut down automatically. She wouldn't hear any of it. She said that even though it was hollywood, it was factually accurate (yes, I did stare at her in google-eyed disbelief), and she came up with some hysteria about how if the rods failed, the resulting death and destruction would be global.

18 posted on 05/04/2005 6:52:50 AM PDT by frgoff
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...global warming may dwarf any environmental risk posed by nuclear power.

Two wrongs can make a right.

19 posted on 05/04/2005 7:00:27 AM PDT by CPOSharky (You are born cold, wet, and hungry. Things get worse, then you die.)
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Windmills rock!!! plus they save all the birds from nukes.


20 posted on 05/04/2005 7:04:18 AM PDT by biblewonk (Good heavens a Yale man!)
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