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The War We Could Have Won [Truth on 'Nam published in NY Times!]
The New York Times ^ | May 1, 2005 | By STEPHEN J. MORRIS

Posted on 05/01/2005 10:34:32 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: aculeus

We did win the war. The North simply invaded in violation of a treaty.


21 posted on 05/01/2005 11:06:59 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: aculeus
When I left Vietnam after my second tour in Sept 1967 I was convinced that we were winning the war. By the time I went back for my third tour in Sept 1969 we were on the ropes. Our troops were still fighting hard against regular NVA units (the VC had been all but destroyed during Tet 68) and morale was affected because the anti war factions and liberal politicians had convinced the American people that we lost the war during Tet 1968.

Nixon let us go into Cambodia after the communist in 1970 but even then the politicos tied our hands with time and distance limits. The communist just pulled back and let us get to that 25 mile limit and waited for us to leave when we got to the time limit.

The lessons learned were many, but no one wanted to listen or cared. Except that is for a small core of Junior officers who 20 years later kept the media on a short lists and demanded to be let do their jobs. The difference in one war was defeat and the other two wars was victory.
22 posted on 05/01/2005 11:07:54 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: aculeus
A democrat is anti-American and pro enemy of the American People. It was not always so but during the 1970's the radical left took over the party and changed it into an anti-American radical bunch of scum bags.
24 posted on 05/01/2005 11:21:10 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: aculeus
On another thread, a mopey liberal writes about the boomers being "the greediest generation." Not all of them. The American men and women who went to Viet Nam played a critical role in preventing the fullscale communist conquest of the Pacific rim. They did so by fighting in some of the most hostile environs imaginable, against an enemy who's ire had been greatly provoked for the prior decade by French Foreign Legionaires, many of them nazi's fleeing their own names.

When they came home, other members of their own generation who were too enlightened to fight spat on, shat on, and slandered them. The elected officials who had hung the vets out to dry, then had the unmitigated gall to solicit their votes, which, with a drop in the voting age, gave the left side of the boomer generation unprecedented power.

The height of esteem in which I hold our Viet Nam veterans is matched only by the depth of my contempt for the protestors. The ideological left is never any good for America, but with the numbers and power they had in this era, they did to American Culture and Society what a swarm of locusts does to a corn field.

The vast majority of contemporary American maladies, be they economic, spiritual, moral or cultural can be laid directly in the lap of the 60's-70's left.

25 posted on 05/01/2005 11:23:55 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: kennedy6979
Kerry was among the worst, but there is plenty of blame to go around, all Democrats. Rags like the NY Times demonized our troops and provided a constant drum about our losing the war, which we weren't, but it took its toll. Few in the media and press informed the public of the truth, so it's understandable why public opinion was skewed incorrectly. Vietnam remains the biggest fraud perpetrated on an unsuspecting public in my lifetime.

Ronald Reagan, ending the Fairness Doctrine, gave the Rush Limbaugh's of the world an open forum and helped lead to the success of FOX, the Internet and the blogs that began filling in the blanks. Today, the propaganda arm of the left is in a downfall as more people realize how biased and inaccurate they have been for years, and only honest reporting will go unscathed in the future. < /rant > (Sorry)

26 posted on 05/01/2005 11:27:14 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: aculeus

for later read


27 posted on 05/01/2005 11:27:25 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: Joe 6-pack

bump!


28 posted on 05/01/2005 11:28:56 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, let the Constitution do the talkin')
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To: Joe 6-pack
The elected officials who had hung the vets out to dry, then had the unmitigated gall to solicit their votes

That's my explanation for the current "we support the troops" lie mouthed by the anti-war crowd.

They know vets and their relatives will vote for the rest of their lives and try to cover their anti-Americanism with that trite lie.

29 posted on 05/01/2005 11:29:28 AM PDT by aculeus (Ceci n'est pas une tag line.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I agree the Vietnam War could have ended in a "victory", if the United States had used all its military power early in the conflict.
Two factors worked against that: the demand that the US keep large conventional forces committed to NATO and poor leadership, both civilian and military.
Tragedy flowed from both factors.


31 posted on 05/01/2005 11:36:21 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Morgan in Denver

Kerry, Fonda, Chomsky and Ramsey Clark should have gone through the "re-education" prison camps of post-war Viet Nam. That is their pro-communist legacy. They should be ashamed to show their faces in public for what they did to Viet Nam and America.


32 posted on 05/01/2005 11:39:44 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, let the Constitution do the talkin')
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To: Verginius Rufus; aculeus

I believe morethan one million people died in the "killing fields" -- I suppose this is not a large enough number of bodies for Morris/NYT to mention. Just as they don't mention the millions dead by Mao's cultural revolution that set the authoritarian stage for what is modern day China. The thrust of this article is that Vietnam is imitating China. That is BAD news.


33 posted on 05/01/2005 11:42:03 AM PDT by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: aculeus

And .. they've tried to do the same in Iraq - which produced the famous "I voted for it before I voted against it" statement from Kerry.


34 posted on 05/01/2005 11:42:58 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: aculeus

Is there a statute of limitations timetable on treason?


35 posted on 05/01/2005 11:43:20 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, let the Constitution do the talkin')
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Good article! The author's right. I remember.

So now, the traitors of that era want us to recognize communist VN today. Fine. But . .

Precisely because Vietnam has changed for the better, we need to recognize what a profoundly ideological and aggressive totalitarian regime we faced three, four and five decades ago. And out of respect for the evidence of history, we need to recognize what happened in the 1970's and why.

(We need to start at least as early as the 1968 Tet Offensive.)

What the author writes was not unknown at the time.

But the American Press had its eye on the General Giap coveted "Most Valuable Guerrilla" award and they were not to be denied that award.

I say that given the extra years, the tens of thousands of needless deaths of our military and our allied military dead and VN's civilian dead the press scum of that era, the political scum of that era, the academic scum of that era, the Hollywood scum of that era should all be tried for treason.

North Viet Nam's most trusted man in America, Walter Cronkite, spooked LBJ with his distorted reporting to the American public beginning in 1968.

I did not serve in Viet Nam and I am not an expert but IMO had LBJ backed U.S. military requests as our troops virtually annihilated the Viet Cong the North clearly would have started serious peace talks -- just as their post war writings admit. But good 'ol Walter, et al. went to work for their Ho in Hanoi.

36 posted on 05/01/2005 11:44:55 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: aculeus
Just my opinion but I think most of the anti-war protestors were not anti-war but simply wanted the Communists to win.

Same goes for a large part of the media, congress and academia.

37 posted on 05/01/2005 11:47:15 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: saquin

Bookmark for later reading


38 posted on 05/01/2005 11:49:27 AM PDT by saquin
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To: kennedy6979
The left believes they were right about Vietnam then, and they continue to believe they were right in their anti-war, pro-communist positions. None of that's changed, and one only has to watch the MSM or read the NY Times, or other leftist papers, to realize they still believe their own lies.

Admitting they were wrong is never going to happen because their view of history is sealed in their minds as accurate no matter what or how much proof is provided. This is why the Democrats today are so over the top with their hatred. They are convinced in their philosophy and believe they are anointed (ala Thomas Sowell) to lead us because the rest of America is too stupid and incapable of understanding the truth as they know it. Democrat condensation is apparent at every turn and they only remain as a major party because groups like the teachers unions, and minorities such as the majority of the black community, think these guys support them, when in fact the Democrats could care less. They are only interested in the power they can wield over others.

39 posted on 05/01/2005 11:51:40 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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RE: the Fairness Doctrine

That's not ranting, that's good information. Thanks.

If you lived through that time beginning immediately after the left attempted to blame the emerging modern conservative movement for JFK's assassination through the end of the "Fairness Doctrine" and the beginning of modern talk radio then it is easy to see how very important it is to remember. Never again!

40 posted on 05/01/2005 11:59:23 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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