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Sometimes, it simply isn't Vietnam
USA Today | April 28, 2005 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 04/29/2005 3:11:47 AM PDT by RWR8189

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fallofsaigon; gulfwarii; gwii; iraq; iraqwar; nam; saigon; vietnam; vietnamwar
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1 posted on 04/29/2005 3:11:47 AM PDT by RWR8189
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 Thirty Years at 300 Millimeters (Saigon April 30, 1975)

2 posted on 04/29/2005 3:19:05 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Well done. Thanks


3 posted on 04/29/2005 3:36:29 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Because Free Republic obviously needed another opinionated big mouth ... Proud NRA member)
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'Tis hard to believe it's been 30 years.

Where were you when the news came of the Fall of Saigon?

I was a janitor at W.T. Grants, who, after five years, had not adjusted to being back in the world. I met a young Vietnamese woman that day and told her how sorry I was about what happened to her country. I felt bad for my own country also. We had abandoned an ally to whom we had pledged support.

There are many on the Left who would have us do the same in Iraq and Afghanistan. Today's leadership will not allow that to happen, and that is the number one difference between the war we fight today and the one we lost 30 years ago.


4 posted on 04/29/2005 3:38:39 AM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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"Indeed, in Vietnam, the insurgency phase of the war was largely over by 1965."

Say what, Jonah?


5 posted on 04/29/2005 3:40:25 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: G.Mason

Thanks for looking.


6 posted on 04/29/2005 3:40:53 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe; marron
Mom, Apple Pie, and the Ghost of Quagmires Past

Long, but a must-read classic.


8 posted on 04/29/2005 4:00:49 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Copied & saved- thanks.


9 posted on 04/29/2005 4:02:40 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: RWR8189

Did you know that John Kerry was in Vietnam? Well maybe.


10 posted on 04/29/2005 4:02:58 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (“There is a law – a law of nature. Man is not the ruler.)
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To: RWR8189
From the article:

There's an enduring myth that Vietnam was a singular evil undone by America's idealistic youth...

It's my assertion that the Vietnam anti-war movement was a singular evil perpetrated by America's idealistic youth, condemning millions to enslavement, torture and death.

11 posted on 04/29/2005 4:05:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Where were you when the news came of the Fall of Saigon?

In downtown Seoul (with a church group, not military). I thought Korea would be next.

12 posted on 04/29/2005 4:16:28 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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God bless you for your service, btw.


13 posted on 04/29/2005 4:18:49 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: wingman1
I was a janitor at W.T. Grants, who, after five years, had not adjusted to being back in the world.
Sounds traumatic. What unit were you with?
 
14 posted on 04/29/2005 4:25:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: leadpenny

From then the VC were pretty much run by the NVA. The Tet fighting in 68 ended the VC and NLF as effective anythings.
There were no more southern accents in the Communist radio traffic after Tet.


15 posted on 04/29/2005 4:43:37 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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I buy the Tet of 68 argument but he said 65.


16 posted on 04/29/2005 4:55:51 AM PDT by leadpenny
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BTTT


17 posted on 04/29/2005 5:17:32 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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BTW, welcome home.


18 posted on 04/29/2005 5:22:45 AM PDT by leadpenny
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"Indeed, in Vietnam, the insurgency phase of the war was largely over by 1965."

After the arrival of U.S. combat troops in 1965, the communist insurgency was indeed somewhat/largely over, as we quickly drove a stake in the heart of that beast. Then it became, for the most part, a conventional war with VC Main Force (PAVN) and NVA units. After Tet of 68, there were no more combat effective VC Main Force, Regional Force, or Local Force units to deal with, and the war was fought entirely with NVA regulars.

One of the many things the Main Stream Media failed to report was that no Viet Cong units marched in the communist victory parade held in Saigon after the war. The reason there were no VC units marching in the parade was simply because none existed.

19 posted on 04/29/2005 5:59:05 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: wingman1
I met a young Vietnamese woman that day and told her how sorry I was about what happened to her country. I felt bad for my own country also. We had abandoned an ally to whom we had pledged support.

I guess you haven't heard....somewhere around 1967,the rules were changed to "oppose any friend,support any foe". The likes of Kennedy,Kerry and Clinton will fire up a bone tomorrow and bask in the glow of a job well done.Too bad General Giap wasn't here to praise them once again for turning defeat into victory for Mao's puppets.

20 posted on 04/29/2005 6:57:19 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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