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The end of oil is closer than you think
The Guardian Unlimited ^ | April 21, 2005 | John Vidal

Posted on 04/25/2005 8:14:08 AM PDT by cogitator

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It's gotta run out eventually, of course.

China sees it coming. They're going nuclear, big-time.

1 posted on 04/25/2005 8:14:12 AM PDT by cogitator
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--no, it's not. The price is just going to go up--


2 posted on 04/25/2005 8:15:41 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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Peak Oil. Blah, blah, blah. Been refuted over and over again.


3 posted on 04/25/2005 8:16:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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If you look at any old books, we were supposed to run out of oil by 1980.

We will see.


4 posted on 04/25/2005 8:16:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Of course oil companies want us to think we're running out of oil, so they can jack up the prices. We've been hearing this same crap over the past 30 years.


5 posted on 04/25/2005 8:17:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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One thing all of humanity can be certain of, everything on the planet that sustains human life is in finite supply.

One thing I keep wondering about is what all the crap we bury everyday as today's trash is going to turn into?


6 posted on 04/25/2005 8:19:46 AM PDT by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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WHEN it runs out is the question. Next year, a thousand years from now, a vanishingly-distant moment in the future?


7 posted on 04/25/2005 8:21:10 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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Lemme see. The United States has oodles of coal, oil shale and tar sands, feedstocks for alternative fuels that aren't economically viable at lower oil prices.

The price of oil is now high enough, and appears that it will remain high enough, to create market incentives to extract those alternative fuels and wean the U.S. away from imported oil.

Someone please tell me where the crisis is here.

8 posted on 04/25/2005 8:21:49 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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One thing I keep wondering about is what all the crap we bury everyday as today's trash is going to turn into?

In about 80-120 years, mining sites.

9 posted on 04/25/2005 8:22:30 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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Of course oil companies want us to think we're running out of oil, so they can jack up the prices. We've been hearing this same crap over the past 30 years.

From the article: "The US government knows that conventional oil is running out fast. According to a report on oil shales and unconventional oil supplies prepared by the US office of petroleum reserves last year, "world oil reserves are being depleted three times as fast as they are being discovered. Oil is being produced from past discoveries, but the re­serves are not being fully replaced. Remaining oil reserves of individual oil companies must continue to shrink. The disparity between increasing production and declining discoveries can only have one outcome: a practical supply limit will be reached and future supply to meet conventional oil demand will not be available."

10 posted on 04/25/2005 8:23:15 AM PDT by cogitator
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I'd be interested to see if anyone can provide evidence of a specific case in which the world "ran out of" any raw material or commodity.


11 posted on 04/25/2005 8:23:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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nothing new under the sun alert.


12 posted on 04/25/2005 8:24:26 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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Warmed-over baloney.


13 posted on 04/25/2005 8:25:45 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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One thing I keep wondering about is what all the crap we bury everyday as today's trash is going to turn into?

I echo dirtboy at #9. I predict that by 2050, a few landfills will have already become resource recovery and biomass conversion/biofuels generation sites, and more and more will be converted after that. The start of this trend is the thermal depolymerization process being used on ag waste to produce biofuels.

14 posted on 04/25/2005 8:26:03 AM PDT by cogitator
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In about 80-120 years, mining sites.

Coal? I can't fathom what millions of metric tons of used baby diapers and empty tuna cans will turn into. I would think something useful.

15 posted on 04/25/2005 8:27:38 AM PDT by IamConservative (To worry is to misuse your imagination.)
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Some see it different - but nuclear is a viable alternative and with it, electrification of transportation.

The below illustrates a different perspective about the long term availability of hydrocarbon fuels:

"The Bottomless Well: The Twilight of Fuel, the Virtue of Waste, and Why We Will Never Run Out of Energy by Peter W. Huber, Mark P. Mills

16 posted on 04/25/2005 8:28:07 AM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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Someone please tell me where the crisis is here.

I don't expect a crisis, but I do expect a crunch with periods of low supply that will stress economic sectors at times. As the article notes, the declining production curve will be a long slow one, and improved energy technologies (like more and more hybrid cars, more nuclear energy, etc.) will extend it.

17 posted on 04/25/2005 8:28:16 AM PDT by cogitator
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We're doomed!

18 posted on 04/25/2005 8:28:32 AM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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Dodos, right?


19 posted on 04/25/2005 8:29:16 AM PDT by battlecry
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I can't fathom what millions of metric tons of used baby diapers and empty tuna cans will turn into

Democratic talking points...

20 posted on 04/25/2005 8:29:37 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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