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Big church halts support of ministries
Charlotte Observer ^ | 4/24/05 | Ken Garfield

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:59:46 AM PDT by NotchJohnson

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To: Protagoras

Bless you, and good night to you.


341 posted on 04/25/2005 2:01:30 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

Oh. Are you a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness?


342 posted on 04/25/2005 2:02:13 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: Protagoras

Well, I'm outa here again. This time I have to go prepare the evening meal for my family, then spend the evening with them. Since my Freepday is over, I guess I'm out of this thread.

"Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof...."

Tomorrow's another day. Perhaps we will meet in other threads.


343 posted on 04/25/2005 2:02:40 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Drago
The church wrote a private letter to the food charity...how is that "publicly declared"?

By responding to questions and making the statements they did about the Catholics.

They should have just kept their collective mouths shut.

344 posted on 04/25/2005 2:02:48 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: k2blader

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Christian.


345 posted on 04/25/2005 2:03:30 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

Ah, okay.

Thank you, but I'm not interested in joining.


346 posted on 04/25/2005 2:06:16 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: Old Mountain man
Bless you, and good night to you.

And you as well.

347 posted on 04/25/2005 2:08:32 PM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: NotchJohnson

"Marciano said the church gave Charlotte Rescue Mission $5,500 in 2004 -- a small part of the mission's annual budget of $3 million."

This mega-church that has 6,000 parishioners gave less than a dollar a year per worshipper?! Maybe I'm jumping the gun since I don't know what other charities they donate to or their operating budget. I would think there wouldn't be many charities in general that don't have multiple denominations making donations of food, volunteers and funds (or at least one of the three).

As a PR move this about as dumb as you can get particuarly a week after a new Pope had been elected. Jesus said to turn the other cheek - is the Catholic Church really an enemy of this mega-church?


348 posted on 04/25/2005 2:08:52 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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To: Old Mountain man
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Christian.

Upstate NY kinda Christian .....

Christian Scientist: not Christian.

349 posted on 04/25/2005 2:09:13 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: MineralMan
Tomorrow's another day. Perhaps we will meet in other threads.

Undoubtedly.

I hope it's on a thread where your opinion matters.

350 posted on 04/25/2005 2:10:31 PM PDT by Protagoras (Christ is risen.)
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To: k2blader

That's cool. If you change your mind, let one of us know.


351 posted on 04/25/2005 2:12:57 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: JohnnyZ

Christian. See, it says so in the name.

8-)


352 posted on 04/25/2005 2:14:07 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: billbears
Bill, it seems to me that this organization (or so-called "church") is making more of a political statement than representing Christ. I say this because apparently the organization had been supporting a "food panty," most probably a state/city-owned one that simply wished to meet the needs of people. Yet, no one has raised this "yoking" with a secular group.

However, now that the organization hears that the Catholics are involved (and I am not a Catholic), they claim that because a secular-based (presumably) charity begins to get help from another religious group (just as the organization is), they feel that they can't help PEOPLE by feeding them.

What does such a move tell the community? It tells them that their organization is elitist and exclusionary, which in NO WAY represents the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It just makes me wonder whether this same arrogant group would accept donations from Catholics and others if they were in need? You bet they would and they would declare that "the Lord provided!"

This organization is free to give or withhold giving but don't dare try to hide their pride and elitism by saying they're doing so out of conviction. I hope this organization has to close its doors as a result of this. But I'm sure that the Catholics, et al, would be there to help them out.

353 posted on 04/25/2005 2:16:59 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: NotchJohnson
Guess they didn't read these readings this last Sunday!

 
April 24, 2005
Fifth Sunday of Easter

Psalm: Sunday 20

Reading I
Acts 6:1-7

As the number of disciples continued to grow,
the Hellenists complained against the Hebrews
because their widows
were being neglected in the daily distribution.
So the Twelve called together the community of the disciples and said,
"It is not right for us to neglect the word of God to serve at table.
Brothers, select from among you seven reputable men,
filled with the Spirit and wisdom,
whom we shall appoint to this task,
whereas we shall devote ourselves to prayer
and to the ministry of the word."
The proposal was acceptable to the whole community,
so they chose Stephen, a man filled with faith and the Holy Spirit,
also Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas,
and Nicholas of Antioch, a convert to Judaism.
They presented these men to the apostles
who prayed and laid hands on them.
The word of God continued to spread,
and the number of the disciples in Jerusalem increased greatly;
even a large group of priests were becoming obedient to the faith.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 33:1-2, 4-5, 18-19

R. (22) Lord, let your mercy be on us, as we place our trust in you.
or:
R. Alleluia.
Exult, you just, in the LORD;
praise from the upright is fitting.
Give thanks to the LORD on the harp;
with the ten-stringed lyre chant his praises.
R. Lord, let your mercy be on us, as we place our trust in you.
or:
R. Alleluia.
Upright is the word of the LORD,
and all his works are trustworthy.
He loves justice and right;
of the kindness of the LORD the earth is full.
R. Lord, let your mercy be on us, as we place our trust in you.
or:
R. Alleluia.
See, the eyes of the LORD are upon those who fear him,
upon those who hope for his kindness,
to deliver them from death
and preserve them in spite of famine.
R. Lord, let your mercy be on us, as we place our trust in you.
or:
R. Alleluia.


Reading II
1 Pt 2:4-9

Beloved:
Come to him, a living stone, rejected by human beings
but chosen and precious in the sight of God,
and, like living stones,
let yourselves be built into a spiritual house
to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
For it says in Scripture:
Behold, I am laying a stone in Zion,
a cornerstone, chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in it shall not be put to shame.
Therefore, its value is for you who have faith, but for those without faith:
The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,
and
a stone that will make people stumble,
and a rock that will make them fall.
They stumble by disobeying the word, as is their destiny.

You are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
a holy nation, a people of his own,
so that you may announce the praises" of him
who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.


Gospel
Jn 14:1-12

Jesus said to his disciples:
"Do not let your hearts be troubled.
You have faith in God; have faith also in me.
In my Father's house there are many dwelling places.
If there were not,
would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?
And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come back again and take you to myself,
so that where I am you also may be.
Where I am going you know the way."
Thomas said to him,
"Master, we do not know where you are going;
how can we know the way?"
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you know me, then you will also know my Father.
From now on you do know him and have seen him."
Philip said to him,
"Master, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time
and you still do not know me, Philip?
Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.
How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?
The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own.
The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.
Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me,
or else, believe because of the works themselves.
Amen, amen, I say to you,
whoever believes in me will do the works that I do,
and will do greater ones than these,
because I am going to the Father."


354 posted on 04/25/2005 2:26:12 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Barnacle

Yes, ignorance does abound. It is sad and I will pray for them.


355 posted on 04/25/2005 2:26:39 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Protagoras

"View us, not advise us on what the bible means and what we should do. BTW, they view us as idiots."

I used to think the same, until I met Christians who were kind and non-judgemental. Non-believers don't view ALL Christians as idiots, just those who act high and mighty. If we follow Christ's example of humility, we are respected by non-believers.
For instance, an intellectual atheist friend of mine, who generally hated Christians had an experience that changed his way of thinking while travelling across the state. He was in a rollover accident. The second person on the scene was a Christian man who took him (and his dog) home and let him spend the night. The next morning he drove my friend to the train depot an hour away. The car was a total loss. The Christian man then kept and cared for his dog for several days, until he returned with his other car to pick up the dog. That one Christian man brought my friend closer to God by representing Christ well in his actions. I notice he now contrasts "good" vs. "bad" Christians, when before he though we were all hypocritical freaks. That is the first step for an unbeliever in accepting Christ, and like it or not, unbelievers formulate their opinions of Christianity by the words and deeds of Christians. So when the Atheist gentleman starts commenting on how we should treat each other and on scripture, I take it differently than other Christians, because I was once there myself, as is my Atheist friend. General interest is a good thing, even if that interest manifests itself with negative comments. When representing Christ to Atheists, you have a better chance of doing it well if there's no malice against them, even if they are prejudiced against you. Instead of getting mad at one who asks "who created God" a better way of dealing with it is to say "who created the components need for a "big bang?" I don't think evolution is illogical (it's quite simply the study of God's ways), but the "big bang" doesn't ring in my ears, and it wouldn't resonate with Atheists if they actually asked "who created the components that set off the big bang?


356 posted on 04/25/2005 3:06:07 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: A2J

"This is the same denomination that believes that feet-washing was commanded by Jesus and thus is a liturgy of the church."

They are emulating the lady who washed Christ's feet as a demonstration of humility, as I see it.


357 posted on 04/25/2005 3:08:24 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: NotchJohnson
I Google Image searched Central Church of God and this is the 2nd search result:


358 posted on 04/25/2005 3:09:55 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: 1stFreedom

"All religion is organized.. Even yours.. Unless you stay home, pray by yourself, and follow your own organization of scripture, you participate in organized religion.

Even your theology is organized and systemized..."

I'm glad to hear that! I always thought my theology was scattered and undetermined because I am still learning.
By the way, I don't attend church, listen to preachers on the radio or refer to certain web sites for lessons. I come across a situation, or have a question, then seek the answer, generally by doing a net word search, then reading the relevant chapters. I do pray alone, except when with Christian friends and usually it is the last thing we do before we part. I have several different bibles, so my theology is not denominational, and I compare verses in different bibles when I find contradictions. Whenever something is asserted AS FACT, I research it and do come up with different answers and try to just let the holy spirit guide me, rather than political or other factors. People impart different lessons from scripture. I notice alot of people tend to manifest the teachings in judgement of others, but I feel the bible is intended to make the reader examine themselves rather than to use scripture as a bludgeon against people who have differences with them.


359 posted on 04/25/2005 3:26:18 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Old Mountain man

We may not agree on some things, but we can agree on your tagline. :-)


360 posted on 04/25/2005 3:35:32 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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