Putin deplores collapse of USSR

BBC News ^ | April 25, 2005

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Russia's President Vladimir Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century.

Mr Putin's annual state of the nation address to parliament was broadcast live on Russian television.

He said the break-up of the USSR in 1991 was "a real drama" which left tens of millions of Russians outside the Russian Federation.

He also said Russia must develop as a "free and democratic" country.

But he stressed that Russia "will decide for itself the pace, terms and conditions of moving towards democracy".

"We are a free nation and our place in the modern world will be defined only by how successful and strong we are".

It was Mr Putin's second state of the nation address since being re-elected by a landslide in 2004.

[jb6]

Your wage is coming !

Is that the new communist ruled Polish currency? Boy, going from your present communist masters to the Trotskytes of the EU shouldn't be any problem for people like you. You won't even notice the change in owners.

[jb6]

GAS project not oil, maybe for you it is not important difference but believe me crucial. You know that oil usually is transported by the sea via tankers! Hehe

Very smart, by sea over long distances, welcome to reality, you will face the same future as Latvia, when the pipelines were routed around her. Gas goes to the north through Norway, oil by pipe around Poland and to Germany. This oil never flew via Ukraine, but via Turkish straights! Again tankers!

Sorry but the only one here about to sound really really dumb is you. While attempting to educate me, educate yourself. How can you believe that oil is tranfered only by tanker. Do you think that after going by pipe from Siberia to the western border, that oil is then loaded on a ship to Germany? God have mercy but that makes about zero common sense. Read and learn.

Detailed PDF map of Europe and it's oil pipelines

[jb6]

Detailed PDF map of Europe and the oil pipelines

[jb6]

Do you ever heard about Caspian oil and gas, when US firm owning natural resources?

Then only ones directly owned by the US firms are in Azerbajan and they're going via: PIPELINE to southern Turkey and then to America. Sorry but the US is investing in getting oil for us not you. Ask your socialist masters in Brussels to roll a couple of drums your way. The rest of the Caspian oil is primarly owned by Russia and Iran.

You're living in a fantasy world.

[RussianBoor]

I guess your efforts are not helping much. People who do not want to hear or just have brains too small or education too poor or are paid for telling lies here will never accept what you are saying.

Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before the swine, lest perchance they trample them down with their feet. Matt.7:6

This situation is precisely answered in the Recognitions of Clement, book III, Chapter I.

"Nothing is more difficult, thy brethren, than to reason concerning the truth in the presence of a mixed multitude of people. For that which is may not be spoken to all as it is, on account of those who hear wickedly and treacherously; yet it is not proper to deceive, on account of those who desire to hear the truth sincerely. What, then, shall he do who has to address a mixed multitude? Shall he conceal what is true? How, then, shall he instruct those who are worthy? But if he set forth pure truth to those who do not desire to obtain salvation, he does injury to Him by whom he has been sent, and from whom he has received commandment not to throw the pearls of His words before swine and dogs, who, striving against them with arguments and sophisms, roll them in the rand of carnal understanding, and by their barkings and base answers break and weary the preachers of God's word. Wherefore I also, for the most part, by using a certain circumlocution, endeavour to avoid publishing the chief knowledge concerning the Supreme Divinity to unworthy ears."

I admire your effort and at the same time I think it is really useless to waste your time in discussions with certain individuals I got tired of in just 4 months I am here. God help you!

[Lazamataz]

No, I think the creation of the USSR was one of the great geopolitical catastrophes of the 20th Century.

And the spread of Marxism is another.

The birth of the UN, another one. The Third Reich, yet another

But the worst one, was the inception of the Democrat Party.

[Lukasz]

Oh come on, you are energetic ignorant.

Very smart, by sea over long distances, welcome to reality, you will face the same future as Latvia, when the pipelines were routed around her. Gas goes to the north through Norway, oil by pipe around Poland and to Germany.

You comparing countries like Poland and especially Ukraine to small Latvia, without sense. What are you talking about?? :-) Gas via Norway? Mountains and extreme high transit prices? Oil pipe around Poland? Which way? I didn’t heard yet. About gas pipeline under Baltic sea, we will see if they will start to build it at all. Building costs are very very high, Poland, Balts are pressing EU to not support this idea, the Balts already calling for Greenpeace and EU that this project will destroy Baltic ecology. And who will finance this project? Gazprom? They don’t have enough money!

Sorry but the only one here about to sound really really dumb is you. While attempting to educate me, educate yourself. How can you believe that oil is tranfered only by tanker. Do you think that after going by pipe from Siberia to the western border, that oil is then loaded on a ship to Germany? God have mercy but that makes about zero common sense. Read and learn.

via tanker by sea!, can you read! This oil for pipeline from Bulgaria to Greece about you are talking about will come to Burgas via tanker, the same tanker which went via Turkish straights before.

Then only ones directly owned by the US firms are in Azerbajan and they're going via: PIPELINE to southern Turkey and then to America. Sorry but the US is investing in getting oil for us not you. Ask your socialist masters in Brussels to roll a couple of drums your way. The rest of the Caspian oil is primarly owned by Russia and Iran. You're living in a fantasy world.

You are denying that US firms owning resources in Kazakhstan, this country also is interested in our projects.

[Lukasz]

Look on the mirror.

[lizol]

Hi Ivan!

Do you remember our discussion on the other thread? You wrote there (among others) "By name and by action SU was anti-russian state."

So how you explain, that the President of Rusia says something like this:

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has described the collapse of the Soviet Union as "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century (...) the break-up of the USSR in 1991 was "a real drama"

Aren't you pissed off???
I'd be if my president deplored collapse of same anti-Polish state.

[lizol]

"same anti-Polish state" = "some anti-Polish state"

[jb6]

Geography boy, yes, the Black Sea is by tanker to Bulgaria and from there first to Greece, then to other central european countries, avoiding a transit through Poland. Seems that gas through Norway is cheaper then through Poland, especially since Poland does everything it can to spit on Russia. Your fate will be the same as Latvia's, the oil pipelines are being routed around you...you see (shock!) you're not that important as you wish to believe.

The majority of Russian oil is exported via terminals in the Baltic Sea (several ports) and Black Sea (mainly Novorossiisk, but also Tuapse and Odessa).

Russian crude oil also is exported to Europe via the 1.2-million bbl/d capacity Druzhba pipeline.

However, as Russian oil producers continue to increase production, these export routes have been running at or near capacity.

Kazakh Oil Exports via Russia

Kazakhstan exported about 270,000 bbl/d through Russia in 2001. The majority of this oil was sent through the Atyrau-Samara pipeline, and then via the Transneft system before being exported via the Druzhba pipeline or via the Baltic Sea terminals. Russia recently completed an expansion of the Atyrau-Samara pipeline that increased its capacity to 300,000 bbl/d, and Russia already has allocated a 100,000 bbl/d quota of Kazakh oil for the Baltic Pipeline System.

Kazakhstan also sent oil in 2001 via Russia's Caspian Sea port of Makhachkala, which is linked to the 100,000-bbl/d-capacity pipeline from Baku that terminates at Russia's Black Sea port of Novorossiisk. However, the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) pipeline, which loaded its first tanker in October 2001, has become Kazakhstan's main export route transiting Russia. With an initial capacity of 564,000 bbl/d, the CPC pipeline exported an average of over 200,000 bbl/d of Kazakh oil via Russia in the final two months of 2001, and the CPC is expected to pipe an average of about 400,000 bbl/d of Kazakh oil in 2002.

[jb6]

Oh, you'll love this one:

[jb6]

Thanks.

[jb6]

Russia, Germany sign agreement on Baltic Sea pipeline project

[Lukasz]

Geography boy, yes, the Black Sea is by tanker to Bulgaria and from there first to Greece, then to other central european countries, avoiding a transit through Poland. Seems that gas through Norway is cheaper then through Poland, especially since Poland does everything it can to spit on Russia. Your fate will be the same as Latvia's, the oil pipelines are being routed around you...you see (shock!) you're not that important as you wish to believe.

Geography isn’t your strong point. :) Oil from Greek port going to Central Europe in your opinion? This oil for Southern Europe! Gas through Norway, you are mad! And btw Poland isn’t expensive country for transit at all. You know that Russians using also Polish oil terminal in Gdansk and they WANT use him because they want block this terminal. Anyway pipeline is always the cheapest way. Kazakhs depend of Russia, that is why they want to cooperate with Poland, Ukraine, Turkey and US.

Russia, Germany sign agreement on Baltic Sea pipeline project

I know it very well, this is nothing more than intentional paper.

[Lukasz]

and dont forget about Iran and Iraq in the future, via Caucasus, Black Sea and Ukraine. I know that Yuschenko will try to do it, sooner or later.

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Puti says " Good job ! Maybe soon you will be allowed to kiss...

this monument !"
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[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

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These proud members of Russian Imperial Army...

also say "Thank you, you durak !" and give this medal !

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Nuts.