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Robert Granville, Agent Who Arrested the Rosenbergs, Dies at 89
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/nyregion/24granville.html ^ | 4/23/05 | STUART LAVIETES

Posted on 04/23/2005 6:10:16 PM PDT by Borges

obert R. Granville, an F.B.I. agent in New York who headed the team that arrested Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, died on April 12 at a hospital in Tampa, Fla. He was 89 and lived in Crystal River.

He had had a stroke two weeks earlier, said his son, Col. Robert R. Granville Jr., M.D.

Mr. Granville began his career at the F.B.I. in 1940 and was promoted to field supervisor of Soviet espionage in the New York office in 1946. On July 17, 1950, he and fellow agents arrested Julius Rosenberg in his apartment at 10 Monroe Street on the Lower East Side. Rosenberg was charged with providing atomic secrets to the Soviet Union, information he was accused of obtaining from his brother-in-law, David Greenglass, a former machinist at the atomic weapons center in Los Alamos, N.M.

Three weeks later, on Aug. 11, Mr. Granville and other agents arrested Rosenberg's wife, Ethel, as she left the United States Court House at Foley Square after testifying before a grand jury.

In March 1951 the Rosenbergs were convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage, and were sentenced to death. After protracted legal appeals and protests by those who questioned their guilt or the severity of the punishment, they were executed in June 1953.

Mr. Granville was involved in another sensational Cold War case, that of Judith Coplon, a young analyst at the Justice Department accused in 1949 of passing government secrets to the Soviets through her lover, Valentin A. Gubitchev, an engineer and official at the United Nations.

Believing that Ms. Coplon had just handed F.B.I. documents to Mr. Gubitchev, Mr. Granville arrested the couple as they walked along Third Avenue. Although Ms. Coplon was found guilty in two trials, her conviction was eventually overturned because Mr. Granville had arrested her without a warrant and because the F.B.I. had used illegal wiretaps during surveillance.

Mr. Granville left the F.B.I. in 1952 when he was chosen by Harry S. Truman to head the President's Committee on Equal Employment Opportunities, a group formed to enhance federal efforts to ban discrimination in the defense industries.

Later, he worked as an executive at the General Cable Company and as executive director of the New Jersey chapter of the American Diabetes Association.

Robert Richey Granville was born in 1916 in Wallace, Idaho, and received a B.S. in business administration and a law degree from the University of Idaho.

Mr. Granville's first wife, Jean, died in 1987. In addition to Colonel Granville, a son from his first marriage, who is stationed at the Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, he is survived by his wife, Leslie; a daughter from his first marriage, Sandy Sheehy of Galveston, Tex.; two grandsons; and three great-grandchildren.


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To: LauraleeBraswell
Quite a bit, actually. Try "Hollywood Party" by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley; and "The Haunted Wood", Chapter 6, by Weinstein and Vassiliev
21 posted on 04/23/2005 7:26:45 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"QUESTION- yes the Rosenberg's were spies. But what did Hollywood have to do with communism?"

Funding subversive and front entities, e.g., ACLU, and spawning Fanfare like Hanoi Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and Harry Belafonte. There were more devout communists in Hollywood (and in the U.S. State Department) than among the Russia people. Smoldering among mega capitalist corporate hollywood corporations, and the people they fostered in the "studio system", communist elites flaunted their conspicious consumerism while they berated "middleclass materialism and morality." They swam in luxury and glamourous excess in Beverly Hills. Note how many (left biased) media outlets/sources are owned/controlled by Hollywood conglomorates! Leftism is spelled with a capital E for entertainment: lEftism...Marxism: tyrannical government owns and controls everything - no private property nor personal wealth. I wonder where the bitter irony of leftists' ruthless delusion ends and the perversity of their self-serving hypocrisy begins?

Note: Media Mogol Ted Turner, besotted pro-socialist, owns mega thousands of acres in Montana. Dan Rather, disgraced leftist sunken anchor, owns a huge ranch in Texas. I just find wealthy elites hawking neoMarxism too much of a paradox and a very peculiar contradiction of values.



22 posted on 04/23/2005 7:31:41 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Borges
At work now and in between am looking up what I can. "Coulter explodes Hollywood Blacklist Myth" was a prior post here and John Wayne formed the Motion Picture Alliance to fight communist influence. There was supposedly a tribute by Ronald Reagan on the web but much is filtered out here at work with the fascist Websense. If I find the original where I read it I will post.
23 posted on 04/23/2005 7:45:36 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
If he's teaching about communism in America, not just Hollywood, read: "Venona:Decoding Soviet Espionage in America", by Haynes and Klehr; "The Secret World of American Communism" by Klehr, Haynes and Firsov; "Sacred Secrets", by Jerrold and Leona Schecter; and "Double Lives",by Stephen Koch. A book you might recommend to your prof. (after you read it) is "In Denial" by Haynes and Klehr, which analyzes the bias in revisionist studies of the Soviet Union by western professors.

If you need suggestions on other areas of Soviet-U.S relations back then, or on Soviet history, let me know. Good luck with the "bear baiting".
24 posted on 04/23/2005 8:09:08 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr



It was so funny. My pro always complains about BIG BUSINESS. And then on Friday- he started defending communist China. It's good because now that worker gets to take home 130 $ a month.

I said- "Isn't that Big evil Business paying out?! and started laughing!


25 posted on 04/23/2005 8:11:30 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: mark502inf

"Even after the Soviet archives have been opened and communications to the Rosenbergs discovered, it is still a matter of faith among the left that the Rosenbergs were innocent."

No! It's not "faith" - the leftist mandate is to "dismiss, lie and deny." Revisionism and propaganda is prime leftist artifice. It's collective neurotic-denial syndrome and leftist "faith" is in perpetuating fiction to overule fact and reality.

Nothing would have deflated "McCathyism" more than if the cowardly card-carrying communists just admitted their membership, and not insult the constitutional fifth amendment by invoking it to protect their deception. They exposed the cowardice which formed the basis of their ideological convictions.

So...today "McCarthyism" is more evil than communism - a rhetorical ploy deviously manipulated into such an irony! AND...American patriotism is "fascistic"...according to leftists - Orwellian inversion at work. E.g., 2+2=5.

McCathyism exposed cowardly and subversive communists.

If the Rosenburgs, proven communist spies for Soviet Russia, admitted their treason they would not have been executed. Note: the(net site)Rosenberg Foundation activates against the Death Penalty...for treason and other heinous crimes.

Of course, treason against the U.S. is not *treason* in the minds of communist party loyalists and neoMarxist pro-socialist ideologues. Communist party loyalty is akin to Mafia brotherhood: the desired result justifies the nefarious means.

For the TRUTH about the Rosenburg treason, read the Honest and Honourable David Horowitz.



26 posted on 04/23/2005 8:11:40 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

"Alright but- was it a crime to be a communist in the US? And we're people really black listed for being communists?"

Nothing like a history lesson or two to answer your questions based on obvious misconceptions.

Fact #1. Neither the U.S. government, nor McCarthy, nor the Congressional Committee on UnAmerican Activities "black-listed" hollywood communists. Hollywood mogols black-listed the "TEN."

Fact #2. Communism is unAmerican, in fact, it is anti-American. It is subversive and is the very antithesis of the free American republic's precepts for governance. (Read Karl Marx and neoMarxists)

Fact #3. You require a comprehensive, objective study of socio-political history so that you can comprehend the extant context of the 1950's expose of communists entrenched in the U.S. state department and in other vital security agencies.

Start with: Soviet Russia and Third Reich (socialist-leftist movements) were allies by treaty in imperialistic invasions of European countries until...Well, WWII and stuff happened...(like: save "Vichy" France!)...then east & west Germany...then the Berlin Wall...The Third Reich is dead...Communist-tyranny aka Soviet Russia remains still the threatening imperialist invader of all Europe...and of "tomorrow the world."

Leftists refer to the U.S. as "imperialistic." Besides the evident projection of communism's goals, history proves there are not more imperialisticly driven intentions than those in communist movements and within its activism throughout the world.





27 posted on 04/23/2005 8:56:53 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

"Don't believe the cr*p you hear about the heroism of the Hollywood Ten. The truly brave guys, like Elia Kazan, continue to be reviled. Kazan was roundly booed by Oscar attendees a few years ago. Ever see "On the Waterfront"? That's really about him standing up to the Communists."

RIGHT ON! I posted it just a moment ago: communist party loyalty is akin to Mafia crime brotherhood.

(Didn't Kazan also direct "Streetcar Named Desire"?)

Any blind, soul-binding loyalty required by a political party like the subversive communist party was/is enslavement! Elia Kazan was loyal to principle and truth.

The Hollywood TEN went underground and the (talented)writers wrote through Hollywood surrogates and by aliases.

Even amoral cowards have talents: some sing, some write, some report the news.


28 posted on 04/23/2005 9:12:04 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: Borges

"The number of people booing was actually fairly small. Warren Beatty of all people gave him a standing ovation. Kazan was a representative of a certain generation that got into radical politics in the Depression era. It was an unfortunate time in American history when many artists and intellectuals were seduced by Marxism. I imagine it was dilettantish for most of them. Some were just flat out commies though."

It seems today's "liberal elites" fit the caricature of pro-communist dilettantes of yore. Both Red China and Soviet Russia frequently purged with great dispatch extraneous dabbling dilettantes as well as serious dissenters.

One can understand the perspective of generational communists who immigrated from Eastern Europe and those disillusioned U.S. citizens who were lured to communism during the depression era.

When you think of economic crisis and depression, don't forget George Soros who manipulates high finances in the dark, dank background. Soros favours and funds the sustained megalomania known as Hillary Clinton.


29 posted on 04/23/2005 9:39:54 PM PDT by purpleland (The price of freedom is vigilance.)
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To: purpleland
(Didn't Kazan also direct "Streetcar Named Desire"?)

Yes he did. On stage and on screen.

The Hollywood TEN went underground and the (talented)writers wrote through Hollywood surrogates and by aliases.

Billy Wilder had a timeless bon mot about the Unfriendly Ten: 'Only three of them had any talent...the others were just unfriendly'.
32 posted on 04/23/2005 10:35:11 PM PDT by Borges
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To: LauraleeBraswell
"Look at Hollywood now. People get blacklisted for being Republicans."

The older Hollywood leftists now blacklisting Republicans were the same bunch being investigated during the 1950's & early 60's.

33 posted on 04/24/2005 2:30:53 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola
The key difference is that the blacklist in the 50s was by the Studios themselves. Today the leftist actors and directors who dislike working with Republicans aren't nearly as effective since those Republicans can go work with someone else in the same industry. It's a very positive thing that the old Studio system isn't around anymore as it was completely monolithic back then. These days, anyone who wants to get into the film industry can do so.
34 posted on 04/24/2005 2:46:29 PM PDT by Borges
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