Robert Granville, Agent Who Arrested the Rosenbergs, Dies at 89

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/nyregion/24granville.html ^ | 4/23/05 | STUART LAVIETES

[PzLdr]

Quite a bit, actually. Try "Hollywood Party" by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley; and "The Haunted Wood", Chapter 6, by Weinstein and Vassiliev

[purpleland]

"QUESTION- yes the Rosenberg's were spies. But what did Hollywood have to do with communism?"

Funding subversive and front entities, e.g., ACLU, and spawning Fanfare like Hanoi Jane Fonda, Ed Asner and Harry Belafonte. There were more devout communists in Hollywood (and in the U.S. State Department) than among the Russia people. Smoldering among mega capitalist corporate hollywood corporations, and the people they fostered in the "studio system", communist elites flaunted their conspicious consumerism while they berated "middleclass materialism and morality." They swam in luxury and glamourous excess in Beverly Hills. Note how many (left biased) media outlets/sources are owned/controlled by Hollywood conglomorates! Leftism is spelled with a capital E for entertainment: lEftism...Marxism: tyrannical government owns and controls everything - no private property nor personal wealth. I wonder where the bitter irony of leftists' ruthless delusion ends and the perversity of their self-serving hypocrisy begins?

Note: Media Mogol Ted Turner, besotted pro-socialist, owns mega thousands of acres in Montana. Dan Rather, disgraced leftist sunken anchor, owns a huge ranch in Texas. I just find wealthy elites hawking neoMarxism too much of a paradox and a very peculiar contradiction of values.

[IrishCatholic]

At work now and in between am looking up what I can. "Coulter explodes Hollywood Blacklist Myth" was a prior post here and John Wayne formed the Motion Picture Alliance to fight communist influence. There was supposedly a tribute by Ronald Reagan on the web but much is filtered out here at work with the fascist Websense. If I find the original where I read it I will post.

[PzLdr]

If he's teaching about communism in America, not just Hollywood, read: "Venona:Decoding Soviet Espionage in America", by Haynes and Klehr; "The Secret World of American Communism" by Klehr, Haynes and Firsov; "Sacred Secrets", by Jerrold and Leona Schecter; and "Double Lives",by Stephen Koch. A book you might recommend to your prof. (after you read it) is "In Denial" by Haynes and Klehr, which analyzes the bias in revisionist studies of the Soviet Union by western professors.

If you need suggestions on other areas of Soviet-U.S relations back then, or on Soviet history, let me know. Good luck with the "bear baiting".

[LauraleeBraswell]

It was so funny. My pro always complains about BIG BUSINESS. And then on Friday- he started defending communist China. It's good because now that worker gets to take home 130 $ a month.

I said- "Isn't that Big evil Business paying out?! and started laughing!

[purpleland]

"Even after the Soviet archives have been opened and communications to the Rosenbergs discovered, it is still a matter of faith among the left that the Rosenbergs were innocent."

No! It's not "faith" - the leftist mandate is to "dismiss, lie and deny." Revisionism and propaganda is prime leftist artifice. It's collective neurotic-denial syndrome and leftist "faith" is in perpetuating fiction to overule fact and reality.

Nothing would have deflated "McCathyism" more than if the cowardly card-carrying communists just admitted their membership, and not insult the constitutional fifth amendment by invoking it to protect their deception. They exposed the cowardice which formed the basis of their ideological convictions.

So...today "McCarthyism" is more evil than communism - a rhetorical ploy deviously manipulated into such an irony! AND...American patriotism is "fascistic"...according to leftists - Orwellian inversion at work. E.g., 2+2=5.

McCathyism exposed cowardly and subversive communists.

If the Rosenburgs, proven communist spies for Soviet Russia, admitted their treason they would not have been executed. Note: the(net site)Rosenberg Foundation activates against the Death Penalty...for treason and other heinous crimes.

Of course, treason against the U.S. is not *treason* in the minds of communist party loyalists and neoMarxist pro-socialist ideologues. Communist party loyalty is akin to Mafia brotherhood: the desired result justifies the nefarious means.

For the TRUTH about the Rosenburg treason, read the Honest and Honourable David Horowitz.

[purpleland]

"Alright but- was it a crime to be a communist in the US? And we're people really black listed for being communists?"

Nothing like a history lesson or two to answer your questions based on obvious misconceptions.

Fact #1. Neither the U.S. government, nor McCarthy, nor the Congressional Committee on UnAmerican Activities "black-listed" hollywood communists. Hollywood mogols black-listed the "TEN."

Fact #2. Communism is unAmerican, in fact, it is anti-American. It is subversive and is the very antithesis of the free American republic's precepts for governance. (Read Karl Marx and neoMarxists)

Fact #3. You require a comprehensive, objective study of socio-political history so that you can comprehend the extant context of the 1950's expose of communists entrenched in the U.S. state department and in other vital security agencies.

Start with: Soviet Russia and Third Reich (socialist-leftist movements) were allies by treaty in imperialistic invasions of European countries until...Well, WWII and stuff happened...(like: save "Vichy" France!)...then east & west Germany...then the Berlin Wall...The Third Reich is dead...Communist-tyranny aka Soviet Russia remains still the threatening imperialist invader of all Europe...and of "tomorrow the world."

Leftists refer to the U.S. as "imperialistic." Besides the evident projection of communism's goals, history proves there are not more imperialisticly driven intentions than those in communist movements and within its activism throughout the world.

[purpleland]

"Don't believe the cr*p you hear about the heroism of the Hollywood Ten. The truly brave guys, like Elia Kazan, continue to be reviled. Kazan was roundly booed by Oscar attendees a few years ago. Ever see "On the Waterfront"? That's really about him standing up to the Communists."

RIGHT ON! I posted it just a moment ago: communist party loyalty is akin to Mafia crime brotherhood.

(Didn't Kazan also direct "Streetcar Named Desire"?)

Any blind, soul-binding loyalty required by a political party like the subversive communist party was/is enslavement! Elia Kazan was loyal to principle and truth.

The Hollywood TEN went underground and the (talented)writers wrote through Hollywood surrogates and by aliases.

Even amoral cowards have talents: some sing, some write, some report the news.

[purpleland]

"The number of people booing was actually fairly small. Warren Beatty of all people gave him a standing ovation. Kazan was a representative of a certain generation that got into radical politics in the Depression era. It was an unfortunate time in American history when many artists and intellectuals were seduced by Marxism. I imagine it was dilettantish for most of them. Some were just flat out commies though."

It seems today's "liberal elites" fit the caricature of pro-communist dilettantes of yore. Both Red China and Soviet Russia frequently purged with great dispatch extraneous dabbling dilettantes as well as serious dissenters.

One can understand the perspective of generational communists who immigrated from Eastern Europe and those disillusioned U.S. citizens who were lured to communism during the depression era.

When you think of economic crisis and depression, don't forget George Soros who manipulates high finances in the dark, dank background. Soros favours and funds the sustained megalomania known as Hillary Clinton.

[Borges]

(Didn't Kazan also direct "Streetcar Named Desire"?)

Yes he did. On stage and on screen.

The Hollywood TEN went underground and the (talented)writers wrote through Hollywood surrogates and by aliases.

Billy Wilder had a timeless bon mot about the Unfriendly Ten: 'Only three of them had any talent...the others were just unfriendly'.

[M. Espinola]

"Look at Hollywood now. People get blacklisted for being Republicans."

The older Hollywood leftists now blacklisting Republicans were the same bunch being investigated during the 1950's & early 60's.

[Borges]

The key difference is that the blacklist in the 50s was by the Studios themselves. Today the leftist actors and directors who dislike working with Republicans aren't nearly as effective since those Republicans can go work with someone else in the same industry. It's a very positive thing that the old Studio system isn't around anymore as it was completely monolithic back then. These days, anyone who wants to get into the film industry can do so.