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Labour Signals Possible Ban on Replica Guns
The Scotsman ^ | Thu 21 Apr 2005 | David Barrett

Posted on 04/22/2005 10:14:58 AM PDT by neverdem

The Labour government today indicated new moves towards a possible ban on imitation guns – less than a year after the Home Office appeared to rule out such a measure.

Last May, the Government published a paper which said a wholesale ban on replica firearms would be impractical.

But as new figures showed offences involving imitation firearms rocketed by 66% last year, Home Secretary Charles Clarke said he planned to launch a new consultation on a possible ban.

“We will introduce a flagship Violent Crime Reduction Bill within weeks of the General Election,” said Mr Clarke.

“It will tackle the ownership and use of replica firearms and knives, propose tougher sentences for knife and gun crime, and new measures on anti-social behaviour.

“We will consult on banning replica and imitation guns, which account for a high proportion of gun crime.”

Last May’s document said there were legal difficulties in drawing up such a ban.

For example, experts have struggled with how to prohibit imitation weapons without outlawing water pistols and other toy guns.

“It has proved difficult to find a workable legal definition of an imitation firearm,” it said.

“We do not believe that the level of effort required by agencies to administer additional restrictions is offset by public safety gains.”

Pointing out that carrying an imitation firearm in public without reasonable excuse was made an arrestable offence under Labour’s Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, it added: “We do not therefore propose that imitations are licensed or their sales restricted.”

But it did ask for responses on whether imitations should be prohibited.

Home Office minister Caroline Flint said at the time: “I can’t envisage a wholesale ban on imitation and replica firearms.”

She said there were difficulties in making such a ban an “enforceable reality”.

However, Prime Minister Tony Blair later insisted in the House of Commons that a Home Office review of gun laws would be “absolutely open” and would include imitation firearms.

Most other countries do not have bans on imitation weapons but in the Netherlands imitations, even toy guns which resemble the real thing, are subject to licensing.

In 2003 a report by the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Gun Crime called for a complete ban on the import, sale and manufacture of replica firearms.

In London more than half of weapons seized by police are converted replicas.

The Gun Control Network has long backed a ban, and has even drafted legislation to prohibit the sale, importation and manufacture of imitations.

Results of the May 2004 consultation paper are still being considered by the Home Office.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; donutwatch; englands
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1 posted on 04/22/2005 10:15:00 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

When the owners refuse to hand these harmless toy guns in, we'll eventually see a report of someone in the UK being charged with 'possession of a deadly weapon'.


2 posted on 04/22/2005 10:18:38 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: neverdem

When fake guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have fake guns!!


3 posted on 04/22/2005 10:19:58 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: neverdem

Fingers are next!


4 posted on 04/22/2005 10:22:38 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: neverdem

"Like a prick, you are having second thoughts. You are shrinking, and your two little b---s are shrinking with ya. The fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your gun. (withdraws his gun) And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point five O" written on the side of mine, should precipitate your b---s into shrinking, along with your presence."


5 posted on 04/22/2005 10:23:44 AM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: neverdem

And after that, they'll ban PICTURES of 'em.

IDIOTS.


6 posted on 04/22/2005 10:31:42 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: George Smiley

Can you answer a genuine question. Why would anyone need a replica gun?


7 posted on 04/22/2005 10:33:07 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: rightwinggoth

beat me to it. great scene, great movie.


8 posted on 04/22/2005 10:37:37 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: cooper72

depends on what they are thinking of banning.
airsoft is beginning to supplant paintball as a combat-simulation sport. airsoft guns look DAMNED close to real.


9 posted on 04/22/2005 10:39:55 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Paleo Conservative; Sparta; Shooter 2.5; At _War_With_Liberals; Dog Gone; Still Thinking; ...

Check out the British government's latest crazy gun control proposal. The Labour party are insane!


10 posted on 04/22/2005 10:43:29 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: neverdem

It might be simpler for them if they just outlaw human beings. (end of severe sarcasm)


11 posted on 04/22/2005 10:44:49 AM PDT by Argh
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To: neverdem
You know, just the other night I was watching the movie "The Lives of a Bengal Lancer" (1935)

and found myself thinking, "It's only been a little over 100 years since England....How are the mighty fallen."

12 posted on 04/22/2005 10:47:33 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: neverdem
"Six Finger, Six Finger, man alive!
How'd I ever get along with Five?!?"


13 posted on 04/22/2005 10:49:17 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: cooper72

On a visit to the UK, I was surprised to see shop windows filled with handsome replicas of any type of gun. Not only handguns but sub-machine guns too. These weren't toys . My host said they were intended for the collectors market.

But in a country where you expect the average citizen to be unarmed, it would be just as effective as a real one if shoved in your face during a robbery. It struck me as nutty to have them for sale to anyone... along with sabers, daggers and machetes.


14 posted on 04/22/2005 10:57:56 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: neverdem
public safety

The bane of Freedom.

15 posted on 04/22/2005 11:02:04 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: Flyer

I had one of those!!


16 posted on 04/22/2005 11:03:06 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Molon Labe! FMCDH!)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
But in a country where you expect the average citizen to be unarmed, it would be just as effective as a real one if shoved in your face during a robbery. It struck me as nutty to have them for sale to anyone... along with sabers, daggers and machetes.

This is exactly what I am saying. In Britain where only farmers and gangsters have ever seen a gun never mind used one, replicas are used widely to rob banks etc.

I know of a young child who was held in a Bank Robbery, and the gun turned out to be a replica. She was terrified for months. People may disagree with it but it is hardly insane to clamp down on them.

17 posted on 04/22/2005 11:03:07 AM PDT by cooper72
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To: neverdem
News flash update: Under provisions of the new law, anyone drawing a picture of a replica gun to threaten peaceful home invasion burglars will face severe criminal penalties.

SARCASM OFF/
18 posted on 04/22/2005 11:03:38 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Flyer

Whoa; Fragmentation bomb?


19 posted on 04/22/2005 11:04:25 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (I considered getting highlights; but my smugness is easier to maintain.)
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To: rightwinggoth

From the movie "Snatch," one of my favorites.


20 posted on 04/22/2005 11:05:42 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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