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Pope May Color Debate in U.S. Over 'Life' Issues Like Abortion
NY Times ^ | April 21, 2005 | ROBIN TONER

Posted on 04/20/2005 8:13:14 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, April 20 - The election of an unstintingly conservative pope could inject a powerful new force into the intense conflicts in American politics over abortion and other social issues, which put many Catholic elected officials at odds with their church.

Pope Benedict XVI ascends to power at a tumultuous time for his church in American politics: Catholic voters, long overwhelmingly Democratic, have become a critical swing vote. Republicans have become increasingly successful at winning the support of more traditional Catholics by appealing to what President Bush calls the "culture of life" issues, including abortion, euthanasia and research on embryonic stem cells. Mr. Bush carried 56 percent of the white Catholic vote in 2004, up from 51 percent in 2000 - a formidable part of his conservative coalition.

At the same time, some American bishops have become more assertive in urging their congregations to vote in accord with Catholic teachings on those issues - and in moving to chastise Catholic officials who disagree, in a few cases by threatening to deny them Communion. The bishops acted with the support and encouragement of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the new pope, who at the time headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

This standoff has pitted church leaders against some of the leading Democrats in the country, and came to a boil last year around the presidential candidacy of Senator John Kerry. He is a Catholic who supports abortion rights, and argued that he could not impose "my article of faith" on others who did not share it.

Analysts on the right and the left say it is impossible to predict a papacy, and on Wednesday Benedict XVI was clearly seeking a softer, more inclusive tone than some had expected. But they say he shows all the indications of wanting to preserve a bright line around orthodoxy, around what is an acceptable position for a Catholic and what is not.

"I hate to pre-judge, but based on the record I would say Ratzinger is a very serious Catholic and he's going to say things like, 'Beware of falsehood in advertising,' " said Michael Novak, an expert on the Vatican at the American Enterprise Institute. "If you say you're a Catholic, be a Catholic."

Senator Rick Santorum, the No. 3 Republican in the Senate and a conservative Catholic, said: "If you're an active Catholic in America, you know the name Cardinal Ratzinger. He's known as very much in line with the doctrine of the church and a strong enforcer of that doctrine."

But, Mr. Santorum added, "the question is how much emphasis will he put on it" as pope, noting that such matters are often left to local bishops.

Many Catholic Democrats are still angry over the treatment by some bishops of Mr. Kerry and some other prominent Democrats last year. A generation of Democrats still traces its political approach to religion back to John F. Kennedy, the first Roman Catholic president of the United States, who declared during the 1960 campaign, "I do not speak for my church on public matters, and the church does not speak for me."

But John Green, a specialist in religion and politics at the University of Akron, noted that the social and values-related issues that roil American politics today were simply not on the agenda in 1960.

Mario M. Cuomo, the former governor of New York, says that in the current climate, Catholic Democrats cannot shrink from a debate over values, even if it means debating their bishops.

"You say to the bishops, look, I respect you, I want to stay in the club, I try to live by your rules, but let's not be selective." He noted that church teaching also includes opposition to the death penalty and the war in Iraq, as well as a strong agenda of social justice for the poor, and he asserts that Catholic Republicans ought to be judged by those standards.

Senator Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and prominent Catholic, agreed: "American bishops always have been involved in politics and been very selective. If you are a Republican who is for the death penalty, that is O.K., but if you are a Democrat for choice, that is not O.K."

Conservatives counter that such Democrats cannot have it both ways: claiming to be good Catholics and being staunch supporters of abortion rights. They say the "life" issues - led by abortion - occupy a central place in church teaching.

Professor Green said the new pope was unlikely to disappoint those conservative American Catholics. "The new pope is very much likely to continue the policies of the late pope," he said. "This developing alliance of religious traditionalists will continue, with the blessing of the Catholic hierarchy. Also, I think we'll see the Catholic hierarchy continue to be very visible and active on political issues, with the 'life' issues and the marriage issue front and center."

Some Catholic liberals say such an aggressive approach risks a backlash. Many Catholic voters, they say, dislike the idea of having their clerics weigh in too heavily on how they should vote, particularly since polls indicate that many American Catholics disagree with church teaching on a range of issues, including birth control and the legality of abortion.

For now, though, liberal Catholics say they are hoping for the best.

"I will give him the benefit of the doubt," said Terry McAuliffe, a Catholic who is the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and was a sharp critic of the treatment of Mr. Kerry last year. "He was the enforcer before. He's not the enforcer now. Now he has to be the unifier around the world, and it's a different role."

But the Rev. Richard McBrien, a liberal theologian at Notre Dame, said in an interview conducted by e-mail that he wondered how much the new pope understood the more liberal strain of American Catholicism represented by leaders like Mr. Kerry or Mr. Cuomo. "I doubt if he understands it as well as he should, but then, whom does he speak with who might enlighten him, without giving a conservative spin to the explanation?" Father McBrien asked.

David D. Kirkpatrick contributed reporting for this article.


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To: neverdem
He's known as very much in line with the doctrine of the church and a strong enforcer of that doctrine."

Maybe we should call him "the Hammer".

41 posted on 04/20/2005 9:26:36 PM PDT by Defiant (Amend the Constitution to nullify all decisions not founded on original intent.)
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To: MHGinTN

Patrick Leahy, a prominent Catholic!!!! OMG! PROMINENT???


42 posted on 04/20/2005 9:32:24 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: McGavin999
The club? THE CLUB!?!

Catholic Liberal Universal Brotherhood - C. L. U. B.

43 posted on 04/20/2005 9:33:17 PM PDT by reg45
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To: McGavin999
The club? THE CLUB!?!

Well, heck yes -- that's all Catholicism is to them -- a club, membership in which can get you a few votes here or there, as long as you're not too "selective" about actually believing in anything.

44 posted on 04/20/2005 9:33:19 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Ann Archy

Kind of like Satan is a prominent angel, don'tchaknow!


45 posted on 04/20/2005 9:34:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Howlin
"You say to the bishops, look, I respect you, I want to stay in the club, I try to live by your rules, but let's not be selective."

That quote is just SO rich!

And the bish says back: "Yes, Mario, LET'S NOT BE SELECTIVE in what rules you at least try to live by!"

46 posted on 04/20/2005 9:34:33 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: neverdem

Leahy, Kennedy, Kerry, McAwful and co. are all pro-choice.

They have a choice: they can believe in the teachings of the Church OR they can get their miserable asses out the door!

I'm sooooo sick of Dems posing as Catholics. It's sickening.


47 posted on 04/20/2005 9:35:38 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (Hillary for President? She wants to be Pope!!!!)
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To: neverdem
Because of their extreme stance on significant moral issues (primarily but not only abortion) I see no way that a Catholic can, in good conscience, be a member of or vote for a Democrat.

Regarding John-Paul II's statement on the death penalty that the death penalty is only appropriate "in cases of absolute necessity, in other words, when it would not be possible otherwise to defend society. Today, however, as a result of steady improvement in the organization of the penal system, such cases are rare, if not practically nonexistent." I don't see how a claim about the state of the penal system is a statement regarding faith or morals. The efficacy of the penal system, is outside of the teaching authority of the Church.
48 posted on 04/20/2005 9:36:33 PM PDT by etlib (No creature without tentacles has ever developed true intelligence)
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To: RobbyS

One has to ask oneself who is best served by aborting millions of future productive citizens and soldiers of this nation, and why would organizations or other nations willingly support such actions?


Whatever it takes to destroy this grand experiment we have had for nigh on 230 years,, the cost is inconsequential to our enemies, both foreign and from within.


49 posted on 04/20/2005 9:37:33 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Samwise

LOL!


50 posted on 04/20/2005 9:49:21 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"Senator Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and prominent Catholic, agreed: 'American bishops always have been involved in politics and been very selective. If you are a Republican who is for the death penalty, that is O.K., but if you are a Democrat for choice, that is not O.K.'"

This is such a revealing comment from Leahy. For crying out loud, I'm a Jew and even I understand Catholic teaching better than Leahy does.

The Catholic Church opposes the death penalty on essentially practical grounds: Life should only be taken when there is no other workable alternative, and in the Church's view, there are workable deterrents short of the death penalty. Support or opposition to the death penalty, just like support or opposition to a war, is thus a matter of judgment and discernment; as long as your opinion is properly grounded on a moral bedrock that acknowledges life as sacred, you can disagree with the official judgment of the Church.

The context of abortion in American politics, however, has moved far beyond this sort of practicality. If we were debating when precisely it's acceptable to let a baby die to save the life of the mother, the matter would be comparable to the death penalty. Catholic teaching is that the doctor must at all times try to save both lives. If pro-abortion American Catholics agreed with this basic teaching, and were merely debating the practical question of when it's tolerable for a doctor to accept defeat and focus his limited resources on saving just one life or the other, that would be a legitimate area to dissent from the official judgment of the Church. But we're way, way beyond that point—pro-abortion Catholics make the baby's entire right to life subject to the whim of the mother. That's not a judgment question, that's rejection of basic moral doctrine of the Church. There's a word for people who do that, and it's called "Protestants." Leahy should just become Episcopalian and stop worrying about what Catholic bishops think of his politics.

51 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:02 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Fabozz

hey, hey, hey; Don't come down hard on ALL protestants: I for one am a born-again protestant and I love your new Pope: Congratualtions ;)!


52 posted on 04/20/2005 10:34:01 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: NormsRevenge

There are those even :on" our side" who think that a declining population is OK. Fact is that the shrinking of any gene-pool is an invitation to extinction. We are dependent not only on the labor of Mexicans but the fruit of their loins.


53 posted on 04/20/2005 10:40:38 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Fabozz

Leahy and the democraps depend on the votes of fellow CINO's to get elected! Must keep up the sham of 'being a Catholic' while serving Satan for the empowerment.


54 posted on 04/20/2005 10:42:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: RobbyS

I have heard that as well, that a diverse population is one more likely to survive.


55 posted on 04/20/2005 10:43:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: Fabozz

Sehr Gut! But Leahy needs to be joined by the priests who mistaught him, who never told him as you have so eloquently done the authetic teachings of the Church.


56 posted on 04/20/2005 10:44:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: neverdem
But the Rev. Richard McBrien, a liberal theologian at Notre Dame, said in an interview conducted by e-mail that he wondered how much the new pope understood the more liberal strain of American Catholicism represented by leaders like Mr. Kerry or Mr. Cuomo. "I doubt if he understands it as well as he should, but then, whom does he speak with who might enlighten him, without giving a conservative spin to the explanation?" Father McBrien asked.

Benedict XVI understands it durn well: relativism.

57 posted on 04/20/2005 10:47:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: NormsRevenge

I think they used to call it racial invigorization. No accident that the leaders of both indian and African communities are, so often, men of mixed race.


58 posted on 04/20/2005 10:47:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Fabozz
There's a word for people who do that, and it's called "Protestants."

Both Luther and Calvin would have lined up far closer to this new pope than they would have to the mainline protestants of today.

59 posted on 04/20/2005 10:49:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Fabozz
Wise words are always worth repeating:

If we were debating when precisely it's acceptable to let a baby die to save the life of the mother, the matter would be comparable to the death penalty. Catholic teaching is that the doctor must at all times try to save both lives. If pro-abortion American Catholics agreed with this basic teaching, and were merely debating the practical question of when it's tolerable for a doctor to accept defeat and focus his limited resources on saving just one life or the other, that would be a legitimate area to dissent from the official judgment of the Church. But we're way, way beyond that point—pro-abortion Catholics make the baby's entire right to life subject to the whim of the mother. That's not a judgment question, that's rejection of basic moral doctrine of the Church.

60 posted on 04/20/2005 10:50:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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