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To: neverdem
"Senator Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and prominent Catholic, agreed: 'American bishops always have been involved in politics and been very selective. If you are a Republican who is for the death penalty, that is O.K., but if you are a Democrat for choice, that is not O.K.'"

This is such a revealing comment from Leahy. For crying out loud, I'm a Jew and even I understand Catholic teaching better than Leahy does.

The Catholic Church opposes the death penalty on essentially practical grounds: Life should only be taken when there is no other workable alternative, and in the Church's view, there are workable deterrents short of the death penalty. Support or opposition to the death penalty, just like support or opposition to a war, is thus a matter of judgment and discernment; as long as your opinion is properly grounded on a moral bedrock that acknowledges life as sacred, you can disagree with the official judgment of the Church.

The context of abortion in American politics, however, has moved far beyond this sort of practicality. If we were debating when precisely it's acceptable to let a baby die to save the life of the mother, the matter would be comparable to the death penalty. Catholic teaching is that the doctor must at all times try to save both lives. If pro-abortion American Catholics agreed with this basic teaching, and were merely debating the practical question of when it's tolerable for a doctor to accept defeat and focus his limited resources on saving just one life or the other, that would be a legitimate area to dissent from the official judgment of the Church. But we're way, way beyond that point—pro-abortion Catholics make the baby's entire right to life subject to the whim of the mother. That's not a judgment question, that's rejection of basic moral doctrine of the Church. There's a word for people who do that, and it's called "Protestants." Leahy should just become Episcopalian and stop worrying about what Catholic bishops think of his politics.

51 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:02 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: Fabozz

hey, hey, hey; Don't come down hard on ALL protestants: I for one am a born-again protestant and I love your new Pope: Congratualtions ;)!


52 posted on 04/20/2005 10:34:01 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Fabozz

Leahy and the democraps depend on the votes of fellow CINO's to get elected! Must keep up the sham of 'being a Catholic' while serving Satan for the empowerment.


54 posted on 04/20/2005 10:42:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Fabozz

Sehr Gut! But Leahy needs to be joined by the priests who mistaught him, who never told him as you have so eloquently done the authetic teachings of the Church.


56 posted on 04/20/2005 10:44:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: Fabozz
There's a word for people who do that, and it's called "Protestants."

Both Luther and Calvin would have lined up far closer to this new pope than they would have to the mainline protestants of today.

59 posted on 04/20/2005 10:49:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Fabozz
Wise words are always worth repeating:

If we were debating when precisely it's acceptable to let a baby die to save the life of the mother, the matter would be comparable to the death penalty. Catholic teaching is that the doctor must at all times try to save both lives. If pro-abortion American Catholics agreed with this basic teaching, and were merely debating the practical question of when it's tolerable for a doctor to accept defeat and focus his limited resources on saving just one life or the other, that would be a legitimate area to dissent from the official judgment of the Church. But we're way, way beyond that point—pro-abortion Catholics make the baby's entire right to life subject to the whim of the mother. That's not a judgment question, that's rejection of basic moral doctrine of the Church.

60 posted on 04/20/2005 10:50:33 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Fabozz
I'm a Jew and even I understand Catholic teaching better than Leahy does.

Unlike Leahy, you have no vested interest in misunderstanding it.

64 posted on 04/21/2005 12:52:18 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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