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Ballmer: Microsoft Will Virtualize Linux
Internetnews.com ^ | 20 April 2005 | Clint Boulton

Posted on 04/20/2005 6:16:32 PM PDT by ShadowAce

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1 posted on 04/20/2005 6:16:35 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 04/20/2005 6:17:14 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Boomer Geezer

Thanks for the heads up!


3 posted on 04/20/2005 6:20:31 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I went to the MS website and ordered Visual Studio 2005, Beta 2 for FREE. They are giving away some great stuff for developers over there.


4 posted on 04/20/2005 6:36:20 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg

I forgot the link: http://msdn.microsoft.com/getthebetas/


5 posted on 04/20/2005 6:37:47 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: ShadowAce

Microsoft will virtualize Linux... and vice-versa. Good for all concerned.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 6:40:04 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Okay, I am an aviation nut and not an IT guru; what exactly do they mean when they say that they shall virtualise Linux?


7 posted on 04/20/2005 6:51:07 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: onef

Linux ping.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 6:57:53 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Army Air Corps
When you virtualize an OS, you essentially run another OS, or virtual computer, inside a window.

For instance, on my laptop here, I am running Linux, but I am also running Win 2K inside a window--and all that implies. I can run Office (though I don't), games, and any other Windows-only programs I may have.

9 posted on 04/20/2005 6:59:24 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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"The stance marks a departure for a company that has historically rebuffed any requests for interoperability with products it didn't make, particularly Linux, which Redmond has often sworn off as threatening. "

I don't think this is true. Microsoft has a history of making their products compatible just long enough to get people hooked and then introducing enough changes to force people away from their competitor onto a Microsoft version.

Java comes to mind as an example.

The way they did spreadsheets also comes to mind. They started out compatible with all competitors, but once they had majority market share they quit sharing file structures forcing the market to move to their spreadsheet or be incompatible with the rest of the world.

10 posted on 04/20/2005 7:01:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: bozack

Okay, it is a Linux version of Virtual Basic, etc.


12 posted on 04/20/2005 7:11:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (I am sick of brownshirts in black robes)
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To: ShadowAce
For instance, on my laptop here, I am running Linux, but I am also running Win 2K inside a window--and all that implies. I can run Office (though I don't), games, and any other Windows-only programs I may have.

What software are you using to do that, and what kind of resources does it need? Any driver issues come up?

13 posted on 04/20/2005 8:20:58 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: kezekiel
I use VMWare. I'm not sure what the minimum requirements are as I have 1G of RAM and a 3.2Ghz CPU. However, it also seems to run fairly well on a Pentium 3 800 Mhz machine.

Once you create a VM, it shares the host's resources, so I allocate the max amount of RAM, hard drive space, etc. It uses bridged networking, so it looks like its own machine on my home network, and can access the Net on its own as well.

Once you install the OS, it acts exactly like that OS, with no problems that I have come across yet.

No driver issues that wouldn't normally come up with the OS in question. I can access everything on my system from my host or my guest OS. It's really cool.

14 posted on 04/20/2005 8:32:20 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: bozack; ShadowAce

The descriptions you're giving makes me think of the word "emulator", (such as Mame32 or Jnes running games). Am I right, or close?


15 posted on 04/20/2005 8:55:53 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: ShadowAce
This includes Linux, he said during his keynote address Wednesday at the Microsoft Management Summit in Las Vegas. To prove the point, Microsoft official Bill Anderson demonstrated how Red Hat Linux could run on Virtual Server 2005.

Typical MS, always five years late to the dance but they love to make a big entrance. VMWare and others have been doing this on Linux for at least four years... What remains to be seen is will MS use its desktop dominance to push another sub par substitute on us..

16 posted on 04/20/2005 9:54:11 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: JoJo Gunn; bozack

An emulator fakes (i.e. creates a logical one in software) the CPU, memory subsystem, and other hardware. A virtualization system allows to, let's say it this way, share (not quite but close) your physical CPU and other trinkets to be available to both systems.

To bozack: No, it's supposed to be a way to run the Windows version of VB inside Windows concurrently with some other apps on some other system.


17 posted on 04/20/2005 10:53:04 PM PDT by Codename - Ron Benjamin ("Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve... we have forbidden fruit!!!!!")
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To: Army Air Corps

Ehem, sorry; the previous wasn't supposed to respond to bozac but to Army Air Corps #12.


18 posted on 04/20/2005 10:56:59 PM PDT by Codename - Ron Benjamin ("Forbidden fruit? We have forbidden fruit? Hey Eve... we have forbidden fruit!!!!!")
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To: ShadowAce
Once you create a VM, it shares the host's resources, so I allocate the max amount of RAM, hard drive space, etc.

I use VMWARE everyday myself, but I would never recommend allocating "the max amount of RAM" etc. to a virtual machine. You need that for your host, especially if you're going to run more than 2 VM's simultaneously with the host. A good example would be 2 gigs total RAM, with 1 G to host and 512 M to each VM.

As for the article, Linux is currently free for anyone to use, including Microsoft. They'll just make it another "window", like everything else.

19 posted on 04/21/2005 4:55:05 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Team America)
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To: ShadowAce

CYGWIN is not bad, they finally have the x11 compatability.


20 posted on 04/21/2005 4:58:51 PM PDT by djf
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