[NYer]

"Dear brothers, chose someone who will guarantee the freedom and openness of the Church," theologian Hans Kueng, one of the Church's most prominent liberal dissenters, said in anarticle in La Stampa newspaper.

Why oh why don't these liberal idiots who don't agree with Church teachings, simply leave and join those faiths that embrace them!

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[Thorin]

>>>>Why oh why don't these liberal idiots who don't agree with Church teachings, simply leave and join those faiths that embrace them!

For two reasons: 1) They get media attention only because they are "Catholics;" if Kung, Curran, and McBrien went to join the dying Episcopal Church (which already has done what they want the Catholic Church to do) they wouldn't get media interviews any more. 2) They hate the Church and want to destroy it from within.

[AlGone2001]

People think that we are going to vote like in an election. But this is something completely different. We are going to listen to the Lord and listen to the Holy Spirit,"said Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras.

And... it'll only take us 33 votes or so to hear him.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Stripped of his license to teach theology in 1979, Hans Kueng is a certified nutburger.

[dufekin]

Our priest said something quite enlightening today at Mass. Don't listen to the political pundits and talking heads. They're clueless; they managed to miss the past--what--five American elections. And now they tell us that they know the inner workings of a secretive election from half a world away.

[CitizenM]

Since the Pope's death and the media has started all this hype about who the new pope might be, polls among Catholics about what changes should be made, etc. I have stopped watching the news on this issue. It is disgusting to me. People are expecting that the Cardinals and Vatican should handle things like a democracy - which it is not. And the journalists expect to get their "scoop" which, of course, they cannot. Ha! I am praying quietly to the Holy Spirit that the Cardinals will all be receptive to His guidance. No polls, no talking head, no pundit, no columnist, or no disgruntled Catholic will have any influence. That is just frustating them, and people who have little faith are spouting their opinions as though they were significant.

Just pray that the Cardinals (even though they have done their share of playing politics before they convene) accept the word of the Holy Spirit. I don't worry, debate, compare, or criticize. It is in God's hands now. The sanctity of the decision will be subject to the desire of Holy Spirit, no matter how many human feelings, actions, politics, or crafty games have played out before the pope is elected. Just pray and have faith.

[FatherofFive]

"whose conservative dogma has polarized the Roman Catholic world"

The TRUTH, ie, conservative dogma, has kept the Church faithful to the teachings of Christ for the last 2,000 years. I wish Ratzinger was younger.

[Williams]

"doubt whether such a figure,whose conservative dogma has polarized the Roman Catholic world, would be able to gain the two-thirds majority needed to become the 264th successor to the first pope, St. Peter"

I know I heard that John Paul II changed this rule so the Pope can be elected by a simple majority. Is this article that far off?

Ratzinger reflected JP II's beliefs, JP II was a great unifying Pope, why is it being said this philosophy "polarized the Roman Catholic world"? What a load of liberal nonsense. The Church's teachings on core issues are many hundreds years old. Why would a religion change its core beliefs to satisfy immoral liberals?

[southernnorthcarolina]

Here are the brackets...

[pepsi_junkie]

But many Vatican watchers doubt whether such a figure,whose conservative dogma has polarized the Roman Catholic world, would be able to gain the two-thirds majority needed to become the 264th successor to the first pope, St. Peter.

Yet another example of the media throwing out their opinion that the world is pining for a liberal pope. And liberal doesnt mean "anti-war, help the poor". It means a pope who will pull the rug out from under the church, changing core church dogma that has stood for thousands of years. I other words a radical reformer. And whenever that happens, people lose a little of their awe for the church as an institution and are more likely to thing they can/should steer their own course. Fortunately, none of these journalists get to vote.

[Norman Bates]

Hans Küng is just a whiney old liberal who can't stand he was censured and silenced (as a Catholic theologian) by the Pope for being out of line.

Why doesn't he just become Lutheran and leave the rest of us Catholics alone? I don't know.

[bnelson44]

"Cardinals Gather Ahead of Conclave to Elect Pope (NO Clear Favorite!) "

Ratz!

[HighlyOpinionated]

Argh, all I hear on the radio (no TV, thank the Lord) is "don't forget the women" and "the Church must address the women issues" -- GAG. I am a woman and I like the Catholic Church just as it is, thank you.

The Church is not a democracy. It's not media driven. It doesn't have to explain to everyone why certain things are certain ways. They just are. If you don't like it, move on to something you do like. What do you think Luther and Henry the 8th did? "Go and do likewise."

[pbear8]

"Dear brothers, chose someone who will guarantee the freedom and openness of the Church," theologian Hans Kueng,

Translation: Dear Brothers, chose someone who will worship me as I do.

[P-Marlowe]

What amazes me is that these guys can meet and elect a Pope and still manage to lead the National League Central Division. I suspect that Baseball season is a difficult time to have to go through this process. But if they are half as good at electing a Pope as they are at winning baseball games, they should do just fine.