Sure it is. Now read this book and make the same statement:
Goodbye, Good Men
Posted on 04/17/2005 1:53:52 PM PDT by madprof98
ALBANY -- Elaine Ranc attends Mass every week and describes herself as a faithful disciple of the Catholic Church.
But she also believes in a woman's reproductive rights. She thinks gays should be able to marry. And she has no problem with using contraception.
"The church has helped me with some decisions in life," said Ranc, 36, of Voorheesville. "But I don't always agree with everything they say. I think women have the right to become priests, and that priests have the right to get married."
Ranc is among a number of Catholics in the Capital Region who believe the church is out of touch with its flock on a number of moral and social issues.
A Times Union/NewsChannel 13 poll conducted Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday by the Siena Research Institute found about 88 percent of local Catholics support the use of contraceptives by married couples, 34 percent support gay marriage, and 79 percent say abortion should be allowed in at least some situations.
The random sample phone survey, conducted as the church's cardinals prepare to select a new pope in the wake of Pope John Paul II's death, polled 622 people, including 284 Catholics, in Albany, Rensselaer, Saratoga and Schenectady counties. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.
The findings, sociologists and religious scholars say, are nothing new and reflect the results of other surveys conducted nationally. Kevin Christiano, sociology professor at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Ind., said the large gap between personal opinions and church teachings goes back at least to Pope Paul VI's 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, which firmly established the church's opposition to any type of artificial birth control.
"In the '60s, there was some sense that the church was going to turn a corner on that issue," Christiano said. "And when that didn't happen, a lot of people tuned out."
A sort of selectivity arose even among the most faithful, another expert said.
"I don't know that you could find any Catholic anywhere who would agree 100 percent with the church," said Michele Dillon, an associate professor of sociology at the University of New Hampshire. "One of the reasons Catholics stay faithful is that they put more emphasis on the liturgy and Mass (than on doctrinal matters). And many of those who disagree with the church on contraception or abortion may be strongly in favor of the church's opposition to war or the death penalty."
In many instances, local Catholics' viewpoints mirror that of the general population. The Siena survey found 41 percent of all of those polled say gays should be allowed to marry, 82 percent believe abortion should be allowed in some instances and 89 percent support the use of contraception by married couples.
Among Catholics, contraception remains the area of greatest dissension between the laity and official church doctrine.
"Family choices change as development increases," said Mark Gray, research associate in the center for Applied Research in the Apostolate at Georgetown University. "And it's very expensive to raise a child in a developed country."
Ranc said she began taking birth control pills to combat painful ovulation as a teenager, but said she feels contraception should be available to anyone.
"I think condoms should be used by young people," she said. "And who wants the spread of AIDS to continue?"
Local Catholics who participated in the survey also disagreed with the church's stance on allowing women to be ordained and priests to marry. While Pope John Paul II refused to budge on those issues, 70 percent of those surveyed said they would have no problem with priests marrying, and 63 percent said the church should allow women into the priesthood.
"People are more aware of the so-called priest shortage," Christiano said. "There are about 20,000 parishes in the United States, and about 3,000 do not have a parish priest. About 50 years ago, many would have had more than one resident priest. Outlying missions would have been the only ones that wouldn't have had a priest."
Capital Region Catholics are more in line with the Vatican when it comes to abortion, with only 17 percent saying it should be allowed under all circumstances, though 62 percent thought it should be accepted under some circumstances.
Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard said teachings must evolve "in continuity with core doctrine and in light of careful study and examination of new knowledge and insights."
"It is the responsibility of church leaders to present faithfully the teachings of the Scriptures and the tradition of the church," he said in a written statement Friday. "While church teaching can change, it cannot simply be reactive to the fads and fashions of the moment or to the ebbs and flows of public opinion polls."
Despite the contention over social issues, many Catholics in the area said they had a favorable view of Pope John Paul II as a person. Millions of the faithful from around the world flocked to Rome after he died April 2.
"I liked the man," Jean Horgan of Niskayuna said. "I liked the way he spoke, and he created a lot of energy among the young people. But I would like to see somebody a bit more liberal, a bit younger, a bit more open-minded take over."
Horgan was among the 12 percent of area Catholics who said they would like to see a liberal selected as the next pontiff. About 16 percent of local Catholics said they would like to have a conservative pope. Thirty-five percent said they would like to see a moderate pontiff, while 34 percent said it wouldn't matter to them.
Ideological and political differences aside, many say emotional bonds keep them close to the church. The 36-year-old Horgan said she quit teaching Catholic school about a year ago because she found herself disagreeing on so many points, especially when it came to abortion and birth control. But she said she attends Mass every couple of weeks.
"I was brought up really strict Irish Catholic," she said. "It's really the only faith I know."
The Episcopaleans need members. Since they took Matthew Fox, they'll take anyone.
They polled 284 generic Catholics, and it has a margin of error of 3.9% for measuring the views of faithful Catholics?
Tell me again that Journalism students are "the best and the brightest"! What a loaf.
The Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern. As most of us realize, the Church began in the East. Our Lord lived and died and resurrected in the Holy Land. The Church spread from Jerusalem throughout the known world. As the Church spread, it encountered different cultures and adapted, retaining from each culture what was consistent with the Gospel. In the city of Alexandria, the Church became very Egyptian; in Antioch it remained very Jewish; in Rome it took on an Italian appearance and in the Constantinople it took on the trappings of the Roman imperial court. All the churches which developed this way were Eastern, except Rome. Most Catholics in the United States have their roots in Western Europe where the Roman rite predominated. It has been said that the Eastern Catholic Churches are "the best kept secret in the Catholic Church."
The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15). Pope John Paul II said that "the Catholic Church is both Eastern and Western."
Check your local community at the following link and look into attending an Eastern Catholic Liturgy (not to be confused with the Orthodox Church).
Eastern Catholic Churches in the U.S.
The Eastern Catholic Rites retain the rich heritage of our church, without the "novelties" introduced into the Novus Ordo liturgy. Incense is used throughout.
I attend a Maronite Catholic Church. The Consecration is in Aramaic, using the words and language of our Lord at the Last Supper. Communion is ONLY distributed by the priest. It is by intinction (the priest dips the consecrated host into the Precious Blood) and is ONLY received on the tongue. The priest administers communion with the words: "Receive the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, for the remission of sin and eternal salvation".
A Roman Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy at any Eastern Catholic Church. You can learn more about the 22 different liturgies at this link:
You might ask someone who knows -- e.g., John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden (who claims to be a "practicing" Catholic -- he'd better practice harder, 'cause he's not getting there!); I sure don't have a clue!
I don't think I'd want a parish priest who was a priest just because his dad was a priest and they didn't want the family inheritance to be lost.
...and a Church without a hell isn't worth a damn.
Once again, you are incorrect. You lack even a rudimentary comprehension of the history of the discipline.
Things sure have changed in the last few years. I was used to every little church having one full time pastor, larger ones having several.
bttt
In ECUSA I often wonder about guys like Spong. Does he actually go to Church? If he does and he recites the Nicene Creed is he thinking bravo sierra the whole time, does he refuse to say it or what?
But then when it comes to thinking that I know more than God I'm probably right up there and man, does he sure spend a lot of time taking me to the woodshed; you'd think I'd learn!
I don't get this. How can one justify choosing which tenets of one's chosen faith to believe, when some are foundational?
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