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Bizarre Incident on British Airways 0215 (Muslim Air Passenger Arrest on 4/5 on Boston-bound Flight)
Women's Wall Street.com ^ | 4/15/05 | Annie Jacobsen

Posted on 04/17/2005 6:18:03 AM PDT by jimbo123

Since I first starting writing on the subject of airline security (Terror in the Skies) I have received volumes of email on related subjects. Among my correspondence, there are certain incidents that stand out, including the one you'll read about today. It stands out not just because of the incident itself, but because the lack of media coverage as well as the "official" spin on the part of the airline and security personnel in its aftermath, much like my experience, defies belief. But I'm getting ahead of myself…

A few days ago, I received an interesting email from Barry Johnson, a blogger from CynicalNation.com. He told me about a bizarre incident that happened recently at London's Heathrow Airport. Barry contacted be because he read "Terror in the Skies Again?" last summer.

On April 3, his brother-in-law was sitting on the tarmac waiting for British Airways flight 0215 to depart for Boston's Logan airport when heavily armed men came on board and removed two passengers of Middle Eastern descent by force. The rest of the passengers were then removed from the plane and taken to a special area of the airport for several hours. Five hours later, the flight departed and arrived at Logan airport uneventfully.

The next day, both Barry and his brother-in-law were surprised that they did not see any mention of the incident in the media. Barry posted a brief account on his website (www.cynicalnation.com) and got a few inquiries. Then he contacted me.

In his email, Barry wrote, "I called British Airways to ask them about the incident, and they told me they couldn't say anything about it…still no mention of this in the media. I'm beginning to wonder how often this goes on and we simply never hear about it."

Very good question. Wondering the same thing as Barry, I called my contact at British Airways. Eventually, I spoke with Vice President of Corporate Communications, John Lampl. I identified myself and asked for a statement from BA on the incident.

"Oh, that," Lampl said nonchalantly. "That was a case of a nervous passenger not wanting to fly."

I asked Lampl if he could elaborate.

"The passenger was 19-years old, and apparently he was feeling apprehensive about flying. He was with a relative – his cousin or brother I think – and the relative conveyed that he wasn't comfortable flying so he was de-planed."

"The relative de-planed?" I asked.

"No the 19-year old. He didn't fly."

I explained to Lampl that I had a passenger witness who told me that the men were armed.

"The passengers were armed?" Lampl asked.

"No, the agents who came on board were armed," I explained.

"Oh, yes, they were," said Lampl, again without missing a beat.

"So let me get this straight." I said, "Armed agents – and British cops don't carry weapons – came on board to remove a passenger who requested to get off?"

"That's correct," Lampl said.

"That doesn't sound correct," I told Lampl, but that was all he had to say.

Barry Johnson put me in touch with his brother-in-law, passenger/witness John Bible. John is the executive vice president of a software company and flies frequently all over the world. Here's what John Bible had to say about the incident on British Airways flight 0215:

"Well, the door was shut, we hadn't yet pulled away. We're all seated, seat belts on, and the captain comes on and says, 'we have a security issue to deal with. While we sort it out, you can all use your cell phones and the bathrooms.' About 45 minutes later, the captain comes back on and says, 'there are some passengers who are about to board the plane so if you could all take your seats.'

"Naturally, I was expecting some late passengers. Now, I was in the back of the plane so I had a very good view. Actually, I was in the same aisle as what went on. So the door opens and this guy – security -- comes running up. Running. And his gun is drawn. It's a machine gun. He's dressed army-style, he has a crew-cut, a bullet-proof vest and a machine gun out like he's going to shoot someone. Behind him is another guy, a bobby cop, and he's got his pistol out and aimed. Then there's a flight attendant, and after that, there's another swat guy dressed the same, in a bullet-proof vest with the machine gun."

I interrupted. "A machine gun? I'm no gun expert, but a machine gun? Can we be sure about this?" I asked John.

John Bible told me that as a software executive, he too is unfamiliar with weaponry. But he was confident about the machine gun. "Look," he told me, "these guys were straight out of central casting. I mean it was something out of the movies. They had that quasi-military look and the big automatic weapons. Everyone was shocked. People with guns out are not what you expect to see when you're sitting on a plane. They rushed on board. It was quick, smooth, and alarming."

I asked John to continue with his account.

"So, they rush up to the row that I'm in – except the passenger was across the aisle. They point the guns at the passenger in the middle seat and the guy with the machine gun says, 'You! Come with me!' and then, this part is funny really, the flight attendant says, 'No! Not him. Him! And points to another passenger, the guy sitting in the next seat over -- by the window..."

John told me he that before the police rushed the plane, he hadn't even noticed the young man.

I asked John to describe the passenger at whom the officers were pointing their guns and how he reacted.

"He was young, maybe nineteen. He was Middle Eastern, darkish skin, dark hair. He didn't put up a fuss of any kind. He looked startled but not totally shocked. He was pretty meek. He didn't make any sudden moves. …These guys with the guns were serious. The passenger got his bag out of the overhead cabin and left [the plane]."

They let him get his bag himself? I asked. (In the United States, TSA won't even let passengers touch their bags during pre-boarding searches, let alone when they're being escorted off a plane.)

John told me, "The guy said something like, 'can I get my bag out of the overhead?' and then he did. He kind of quietly gathered up his things and left. The passengers sitting next to him had been cleared out of the way so it was just this guy and then the agents with their guns on him."

I asked John what happened next.

"I was seated next to the bulkhead, so I could see the bathroom. One of the SWAT team guys stayed behind. He went inside and started searching the bathroom. He opened all the compartments. I saw him stick his hand into the garbage and fish around inside.

"Then the captain came back on. He said, 'As you can see, we had someone removed from the plane. Please remain seated. We're going to get a new plane.' Then he said something about safety being British Airways' first concern. About ten minutes later, he comes back on and says 'we are getting a new plane. And that we'll all get a voucher for dinner. Oh, and if we don't want to fly on to Logan just now, British Airways will honor that.'

"When we deplaned, there were all kinds of people. Police and British Airways-type people. There were three or four bobby cops. And maybe five to eight official looking people. All along the path to the waiting area, there were people stationed so it clearly wasn't some tiny thing.

"Four hours later, we re-board. It was the same crew, same captain. The captain comes on and says, 'to tell you a little more, our cabin crew identified two individuals who were acting suspiciously and we had them removed from the plane.' Then he said something like 'and it was a good thing.' "

I asked John if he ever saw the second individual.

"No, the first I learned that there were two people was when the captain made that announcement. I only saw the one guy. I never saw this other passenger. I was in the coach cabin and he wasn't anywhere that I could see."

I told John what the British Airways spokesperson told me. That the passenger had asked to be removed.

"The guys who came on board were serious. I felt like they wanted to make sure this person wasn't going to take a hostage. They were aggressive. The way they were acting, it was like they were prepared in case somebody said, 'I have a bomb.' "

For me, the story from British Airways didn't add up either. Since when does a passenger changing his mind about flying -- which happens a lot -- require an armed escort off the plane? And why did the airline provide a different plane for the flight?

All this comes on the heels of Heathrow's announcement that it has relaxed many of its post 9/11 security measures. They've reintroduced metal knives into first class dining and will soon be allowing passengers to travel with under 3" scissors and blades.

Meanwhile, looking for answers, I called Homeland Security who referred me to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), saying the incident is ICE's jurisdiction. The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has yet to return my call. But in case you haven't heard, the entire TSA is being dismantled.

Maybe they've already disconnected their phones. And MI-5, Britain's equivalent of Homeland Security, has yet to get back to me.

The one thing that I keep coming back to is – because of the official nonchalance, spinning and stonewalling on the part of the airlines and the authorities – will we ever know how often these incidents are occurring? Twice a year? Once a month? Every day? If I can't get a straight answer about an incident to which there were witnesses, is there any hope of shining a light on what's really going on out there and the progress -- or lack thereof -- being made in airline security? Call me naïve, but I'd think British Airways would benefit from the publicity -- if in fact they actually removed a potential threat. And if the guy really was just another nervous flier, where is Britain's version of Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta – ready to slap the offending airlines with a lawsuit and a fine for racial profiling?

For now, that's all I have on the bizarre incident on British Airways 0215, but I have a feeling this one will should end with To Be Continued.

Note from the Editors: It has been some time since Annie Jacobsen's last installment in her award-winning "Terror in the Skies" series. Annie has been otherwise occupied with the birth of her second son, but is now back to work with two new articles to share: this one and the next in the series, Annie Jacobsen Gets a Visit From the Feds, which will run very soon.

Annie Jacobsen writes about business, finance and terrorism for a variety of national and international magazines and webzines. A graduate of Princeton University, she lives in Los Angeles, California with her husband and two sons.


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Related to KLM 685 incident on 4/8?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7529185/site/newsweek/

1 posted on 04/17/2005 6:18:05 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Mystery Flight (More info about 2 pass. of KLM flight on the no fly list)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1385295/posts


2 posted on 04/17/2005 6:24:53 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

I've always been suspicious of the explanation of materials fatigue for the large commercial airline crash a week or two after 9/11 in NY. There was such a rush to report that it was an accident despite witness reports of a fire/explosion on the plane.`Maybe it was an accident, but the Feds have lost a lot of credibility with their zeal to report calming "news" and deemphasize anything that might be reported as terrorism.


3 posted on 04/17/2005 6:30:30 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: jimbo123
""Armed agents – and British cops don't carry weapons – came on board to remove a passenger who requested to get off?" "

The author of this article obviously hasn't been to England lately. British cops certainly do carry weapons now. As does airport security.

4 posted on 04/17/2005 6:36:18 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Truth29

FR picked up on this incident as it was happening. Interesting how the lamestream media has been keeping the BA 0215 incident quiet as more information on the KLM 0685 incident becomes available...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376647/posts?


5 posted on 04/17/2005 6:36:42 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
If 9-11 had had only one plane successfully hitting its target, higher-ups would have told us it was just a bad accident.

But that pesky 2nd plane.....and then that 3rd one hitting the Pentagon...and that 4th one crashing in Pennsylvania....sure messed up the 'no sign of terrorism' mantra for that day.
6 posted on 04/17/2005 6:46:15 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: jimbo123
An amazing story. ..given the guns out. . .et al (and then allowing the passenger to retrieve his bag from the overhead; which seems to really contradict their own security measures).

It would make more sense; if these were in reality; contrived situtations; which in the end; are supposed to make passengers feel more safe by observing these people doing their job. ..whether they are - or not. Or. ..just as unlikely. . .'real life' rehearsal; ie. . .a 'Graduation requirement'. . .(!?)

Stretching on both here, of course. . .

More to the case and a reasonable truth; we can only assume, more is going on than know - and more than they want us to know. Probably, not good for business. . .but do hope for genuine intelligence, behind these decisions. . .

7 posted on 04/17/2005 6:47:52 AM PDT by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: jimbo123
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7529185/site/newsweek/

I fixed your link. Interesting article. Kind of scary.

8 posted on 04/17/2005 6:52:00 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: jimbo123
"He didn't put up a fuss of any kind. He looked startled but not totally shocked. He was pretty meek. He didn't make any sudden moves. …These guys with the guns were serious. The passenger got his bag out of the overhead cabin and left [the plane]."

They let him get his bag himself? I asked. (In the United States, TSA won't even let passengers touch their bags during pre-boarding searches, let alone when they're being escorted off a plane.)

John told me, "The guy said something like, 'can I get my bag out of the overhead?' and then he did. He kind of quietly gathered up his things and left. "

Sounds like they’re keeping it quit because they found nothing provable and just think it’s bad for business if this gets dramatized and widely reported. They probably also want to minimize accusations of over use of force or unfair profiling.

9 posted on 04/17/2005 6:58:40 AM PDT by elfman2 (@ copyright 2005)
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To: Truth29

The odd ones are easy to sort out:

The explanations are vague, often unbelievable.

And clincher is that no action is taken to ground that type of aircraft or install fixes. For example, center fuel tanks on 747s were NOT pumped full of nitrogen, nor are they now filled for all flights. Either a center fuel tank explosion is still possible, or it was never a problem in the fist place.

Airliners are STILL sitting ducks. The TSA was a useless waste of billions of dollars. And the travel experience could not suck more. (And yet, every time I say that, the airlines prove me wrong.)


10 posted on 04/17/2005 7:00:39 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending.)
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To: Truth29

The tail was made of composite materials - high tech reinforced plastic, not metal. Still suspecious though.


11 posted on 04/17/2005 7:03:39 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


12 posted on 04/17/2005 7:05:04 AM PDT by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: jimbo123

There's always the possibility that Annie Jacobsen has found a way to make money out of scare tactics. Consider the following:

***Since when does a passenger changing his mind about flying -- which happens a lot -- require an armed escort off the plane? And why did the airline provide a different plane for the flight? ***

An obvious explanation for the above is that the passenger might have planted an explosive device on the plane and then asked to be allowed to leave with the excuse of being "nervous." The authorities could not take a chance, and so they took him from the plane and checked his credentials. They also checked the plane and, in addition, ordered a new plane for the passengers. They were being very careful.

Since the passenger checked out to be clean, they found no reason to say anything but that he wanted to leave the plane.


13 posted on 04/17/2005 7:24:14 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: kitkat

How do you know the passenger was "checked out" and was "clean"?


14 posted on 04/17/2005 7:25:12 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: TomGuy
..sure messed up the 'no sign of terrorism' mantra for that day

...and remember, the liberals *itching after 9/11, "that Bubba didn't, Have his chance @ " 'greatness' "...Sure yah did, Bubba...w/ "Blue Dress" Lewinsky.

15 posted on 04/17/2005 7:27:07 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: TomGuy
Don't forget TWA Flight 800. There are too many unanswered questions & witness discrepancies from the official line.
16 posted on 04/17/2005 7:53:51 AM PDT by Apercu ("Rep ipsa loquitor")
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To: TomGuy
If 9-11 had had only one plane successfully hitting its target, higher-ups would have told us it was just a bad accident.

How right you are. I've always had my suspicions about the 'investigation' of TWA 800.

17 posted on 04/17/2005 8:01:15 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: jimbo123

Nothing to see here, move along™...

Bump


18 posted on 04/17/2005 8:02:31 AM PDT by null and void (RFID/0110 0110 0110 - It's all in the wrist™...)
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To: null and void

Right, nothing to see here. Move along and don't forget to buy a refrigerator.


19 posted on 04/17/2005 8:07:01 AM PDT by hershey
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To: TomGuy
If 9-11 had had only one plane successfully hitting its target, higher-ups would have told us it was just a bad accident.

85% correct. Here's the corrected version:

If 9-11 had had only one plane successfully hitting its target, higher-ups our betters would have told us it was just a bad accident.

[Whats worse we, for the most part, would have believed it!]

20 posted on 04/17/2005 8:07:29 AM PDT by null and void (RFID/0110 0110 0110 - It's all in the wrist™...)
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