Posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:43 AM PDT by NYer
Rome, April 11 (Reuters): Maybe it describes the colour of his skin or place of birth.
But the next Pope will be the “Olive” Pope, according to a 12th century prophecy that foresees just two remaining pontificates before the end of the world.
The often-cited — and contested — prediction is attributed to St Malachy, an Irish archbishop recognised by members of the church for his ability to read the future and who was canonised more than 800 years ago.
St Malachy was said to have had a vision during a trip to Rome around 1139 of the remaining 112 Popes before the Last Judgment, the time when the Bible says God separates the wicked from the righteous at the end of time.
The next Pope will be number 111 on that list and is described in the text as the “Glory of the Olive”.
Like any good prophecy, there is plenty of room for interpretation: he could be “olive” skinned, heralding from Latin America, Africa or the Mediterranean.
“It could even be a Pope of Jewish origin, since the olive branch is a biblical symbol for the people of Israel,” speculated Italy’s La Stampa paper.
Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope would come from the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans. But at the age of 93, the only Benedictine cardinal is now too old to become Pope. The cut-off age is 80.
The Malachy prophecy has been the subject of controversy for centuries. Critics say it is a forgery, possibly distributed as campaign propaganda in the late 16th century to favour a cardinal during the conclave.
But believers point to similarities with the pontiffs. Pope John Paul II, number 110, was described in the prophecy as “de labore solis” — or “of the labour of the sun”.
He was born on May 18, 1920, the same day as a solar eclipse. The pontiff was buried on April 8, 2005 — the same day as a partial eclipse, visible in the Americas.
Some take the prophecy relating to John Paul less literally and say it simply referred to the Polish Pope’s birthplace in eastern Europe. The sun rises in the East. The 109th on the list, Pope John Paul I, was dubbed as “de medietate lunae” or “half moon” by the prophecy.
More pressing, perhaps, for doomsayers are the references to the last Pope on the list “Petrus Romanus”, or Peter the Roman, and makes mention of the destruction of “the city of seven hills” — Rome.
"Prayer always has the ability to change things."Thank you"Jaded"
Bump
"We know not the day nor the hour."
That deserves to be repeated (although, I can't remember the exact verse from which that is taken). All the talk surrounding the Malachite list strikes me too much as people trying to guess the "day [and] the hour."
But you can't take it too seriously.
Pope Olive Oyl---Popeye would be upset if this happened.
The Vatican is not on one of the "seven hills of Rome" that have been referred to throughout history .
The Seven Hills of Rome are east of the Tiber and form the the original city that was (by tradition) to have been founded by Romulus on the Palatine Hill (Collis Palatinus). The other six of the Seven Hills of Rome are the Aventine Hill (Collis Aventinus), the Capitoline Hill (Collis Capitolinus), the Quirinal Hill (Collis Quirinalis), the Viminal Hill (Collis Viminalis), the Esquiline Hill (Collis Esquilinus), and the Caelian Hill (Collis Caelius).
The now-famous Vatican Hill (Collis Vaticanus) is west of the Tiber and is not one of those Seven Hills of Rome. We know, of course, that St. Peter was martyred there (at what is now the Vatican). But, then it was just a hill outside the city. Emperor Nero's circus was at the bottom but Caligula had the circus built and a heliopolis obelisk erected there. Peter was entombed on the hill and the early Christians eventually received permission to mark the spot. Then the Basilica was built there.
Also there are other cities such as Rio de Janeiro and the coastal city of Trivandrum in India, that have been built on seven hills. So, I am not sure the reference to a city of "seven hills," actually means Rome, or that the prophecy means the Vatican will be destroyed.
Are there other references that say this?
"Well, Nostradamus did mention Hister....Hitler...that is no coincidence."
Why didn't he just say Hitler?
Pope Jackie Mason? Oy vey.
Oh the lines that come to mind.
I've always wondered if the next Pope might be some kind of peacemaker. The olive branch is the traditional Christian symbol of peace and healing. If the pope dedicates his role to ending wars and bringing opposing nations and people together, he may earn the moniker "Glory of the Olives".
bump.
I think the next pope will be Italian.
Peace in the Middle East perhaps?
Heh, if he can bring the middle eastern nations together peacefully, then his olive branches would be glorious indeed :-)
See post 66. (Any connection with the Zip Code of the Beast is purely coincidental.)
The only reason I can see for the continuing popularity of that colossal fraud Nostradamus is the fact that people continue to make money off of breathless books and TV specials about his "prophecies". But he ain't gettin' any royalties . . .
Like Our Lady of Fatima? You can't take that silly prophecy stuff too seriously.
Nostradamus was an advisor to kings and a physician who saved many lives with his herbal remedies during the Plague. It's one thing to question his prophecies but quite another to bash an historical Catholic who did much good in the world.
Have you seen this yet?
http://www.spiritdaily.com/garabandalwarning.htm
I never heard of any connection between Judaism and the mother of Pope John Paul II. His "earthly Mother" was from Lithuania and was a very devout Catholic. Fr. Malachy Martin's book, "The Keys To This Blood" had quite a bit about JPII's life and I do not recall anything said about the mother being Jewish. I think I have the name of the book correct. I read it a long time ago.
On the other hand, JPII's heavenly mother was the Blessed Virgin Mary. Now, she really does have a Jewish connection!
Like many doctors of his era, he was essentially a confidence man, working on part common sense, part astrology, part goofy alchemistic theories, and part what he thought was magic. (Did you know that he wrote his "prophecies" while breathing in intoxicating herbs and sitting on a tripod like the Pythian Oracle?)
There isn't an herbal remedy that will have the least effect on the plague. In the days before antibiotics, Yersinia pestis either killed you or it didn't. Nostradamus was ahead of his time as far as sanitation and fresh air as a cure for the plague, and the citizens of Aix were appropriately grateful, but he was not the only person who was thinking along these lines. So was honest old Nick Culpeper. Kipling of course knew all about it:
EXCELLENT herbs had our fathers of old—
Excellent herbs to ease their pain—
Alexanders and Marigold,
Eyebright, Orris, and Elecampane.
Basil, Rocket, Valerian, Rue,
(Almost singing themselves they run)
Vervain, Dittany, Call-me-to-you—
Cowslip, Melilot, Rose of the Sun.
Anything green that grew out of the mould
Was an excellent herb to our fathers of old.
Wonderful tales had our fathers of old
Wonderful tales of the herbs and the stars—
The Sun was Lord of the Marigold,
Basil and Rocket belonged to Mars.
Pat as a sum in division it goes—
(Every herb had a planet bespoke)—
Who but Venus should govern the Rose?
Who but Jupiter own the Oak?
Simply and gravely the facts are told
In the wonderful books of our fathers of old.
Wonderful little, when all is said,
Wonderful little our fathers knew.
Half their remedies cured you dead—
Most of their teaching was quite untrue—
“Look at the stars when a patient is ill,
(Dirt has nothing to do with disease,)
Bleed and blister as much as you will,
Blister and bleed him as oft as you please.”
Whence enormous and manifold
Errors were made by our fathers of old.
Yet when the sickness was sore in the land,
And neither planets nor herbs assuaged,
They took their lives in their lancet-hand
And, oh, what a wonderful war they waged!
Yes, when the crosses were chalked on the door—
(Yes, when the terrible dead-cart rolled,)
Excellent courage our fathers bore—
Excellent heart had our fathers of old.
None too learned, but nobly bold
Into the fight went our fathers of old.
If it be certain, as Galen says—
And sage Hippocrates holds as much—
“That those afflicted by doubts and dismays
Are mightily helped by a dead man’s touch,”
Then, be good to us, stars above!
Then, be good to us, herbs below!
We are afflicted by what we can prove,
We are distracted by what we know—
So—ah, so!
Down from your heaven or up from your mould,
Send us the hearts of our fathers of old!
You are positively wrong but at this point I don't think you are objective enough to admit it. You ridicule things of which you have no understanding.
It is a known fact Nostradamus created herbal preps which saved many people. Modern medicine didn't come into existence out of nowhere. Herbalism was used to effectively treat people for centuries. Modern medicine is finding cures today in old approaches to disease.
The ancient Greeks, Hindus and Catholic saints were quite well versed in mysticism and alchemy. If you read history with a little humility you might learn you don't have all the answers.
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