[Elsie]

But purity cannot come from impurity. Sinlessness cannot come from sinfulness. Mary was purified (by the grace of God) in order to be the Christo-tokos (i.e. Christ-bearer), and even the theo-tokos (God-bearer). Otherwise, Christ would have received from Mary the sinful nature that has been received by us all through Adam.

 

(didja ever boil water??)

 

Seems like there's a lot of ASSUMIN' goin' on here!!!!

[BibChr]

Did you ever get an answer as to why that "reasoning" does not necessarily a regression of sinless mothers, grandmothers, and great-greats going back to Eve -- who (oops!) wasn't sinless?

Rough, isn't it, what follows when Scripture isn't enough?

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

[adiaireton8]

So what does boiling water have to do with the Incarnation?

"Seems like there's a lot of ASSUMIN' goin' on here!!!!"

No assuming. Just reasoning. If it is false, refute it. If it is true, believe it.

-A8

[rollo tomasi]

If Mary is the Mother of God then I guess Mary's mom would be the Grandmother of God and so forth. Technicalities are mind-boggling. Also, this Co-redeemer stuff is so asinine that anybody who took part in Jesus's mission could be called the same. Is Judas a co-redeemer? He played a very important part in Christ's journey. Please note I am not equating Mary with Judas Iscariot, just the logic of this dogma.

“This point of doctrine [the immaculate conception] is not expressly dealt with anywhere in the Bible, nor was it preached by the Apostles, and for many centuries it was not mentioned at all by the Church. Gradually, however, as the idea of the future dogma began to develop among the faithful, theologians submitted the point to the closest examination, and finally, the view then generally prevailing was formally pronounced as a dogma of the Church by His Holiness Pope Pius IX in 1854”. A Handbook of the Catholic Faith, A. Van De Lisdonk

Before any long winded response make sure the dogma lines up with scripture. The Bible never preached sola ecclesia.