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To: Elsie
If Mary is the Mother of God then I guess Mary's mom would be the Grandmother of God and so forth. Technicalities are mind-boggling. Also, this Co-redeemer stuff is so asinine that anybody who took part in Jesus's mission could be called the same. Is Judas a co-redeemer? He played a very important part in Christ's journey. Please note I am not equating Mary with Judas Iscariot, just the logic of this dogma.

“This point of doctrine [the immaculate conception] is not expressly dealt with anywhere in the Bible, nor was it preached by the Apostles, and for many centuries it was not mentioned at all by the Church. Gradually, however, as the idea of the future dogma began to develop among the faithful, theologians submitted the point to the closest examination, and finally, the view then generally prevailing was formally pronounced as a dogma of the Church by His Holiness Pope Pius IX in 1854”. A Handbook of the Catholic Faith, A. Van De Lisdonk

Before any long winded response make sure the dogma lines up with scripture. The Bible never preached sola ecclesia.
811 posted on 04/15/2005 5:27:39 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi
The Bible never preached sola ecclesia.

The Bible never preaches that we should worship the Holy Spirit. Does it therefore follow that we should not worship the Holy Spirit?

-A8

837 posted on 04/15/2005 7:06:59 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: rollo tomasi
"Also, this Co-redeemer stuff is so asinine that anybody who took part in Jesus's mission could be called the same."

Precisely! That's what Catholics believe. We believe we are not only called to a share in Christ's redemptive act, but also His redemptive work. This is a real problem in discussions between Catholics and Protestants, we truly read the Bible differently.

For example, are you a part of the Body of Christ? Well, what bought our redemption? The Body of Christ. What do you think Jesus means when he tells us we must be willing to 'take up our crosses?'

This doesn't mean we can save ourselves. Without His sacrifice we would be utterly hopeless. But with His sacrifice we have the opportunity for a share in His life. All followers of Christ are co-redeemers. Its what He wanted for us. Its why He died.

861 posted on 04/15/2005 9:23:32 PM PDT by AlguyA
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