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To: Elsie
Post them then; so folks who rest assured now, can start to fear for their very souls.

I didn't write the Scriptures. So, if the Scriptures make people uncomfortable about the state of their souls, so be it. The purpose of Christianity is not to make us comfortable.

Matt 7:21-23
Matt 10:22
Matt 24:13
Mark 13:13
John 15:1-6
Romans 11:21-22
1 Cor 9:27
Col 1:23
1 Tim 4:1
Heb 2:1-4
Heb 3:6, 12-19
Heb 4:1,11
Heb 6:4-12
Heb 10:26-39
2 Pet 2:20-22
1 John 2:24

-A8

1,177 posted on 04/22/2005 7:54:30 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
My personable belief is Mary could have been assumed by Christ but historical evidence is lacking. Christ Resurrection was dogma from day one yet it takes 1900 years of questioning Mary's Assumption for it to become a damnable offense to not believe.

I put my faith in Christ's rising from the dead, not Mary being called Queen of Heaven. Does she sit on the left hand side of God while Jesus is on the right? If being Queen she must be close to being equal to God. Just some pondering questions, I will accept it either way, God will do what He wants. It is just not implied directly by Scriptures only tradition starting 400 years after the Resurrection of Christ.
1,181 posted on 04/22/2005 8:40:51 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: adiaireton8
The purpose of Christianity is not to make us comfortable.

Oh?

Dang!!! I wish someone would have told JESUS this!!!
 
 

NIV Matthew 11:28-30
 28.  "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
 29.  Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
 
 
NIV Luke 12:32-33
   "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.
 

NIV Luke 21:15-19
 15.  For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
 16.  You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death.
 17.  All men will hate you because of me.
 18.  But not a hair of your head will perish.
 19.  By standing firm you will gain life.
 
 
NIV John 6:27-29
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
 
NIV John 14:27
   Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
 
KJV John 10:10
   The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

1,206 posted on 04/22/2005 10:58:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: adiaireton8
Matt 7:21-23
Matt 10:22
Matt 24:13
Mark 13:13
John 15:1-6
Romans 11:21-22
1 Cor 9:27
Col 1:23
1 Tim 4:1
Heb 2:1-4
Heb 3:6, 12-19
Heb 4:1,11
Heb 6:4-12
Heb 10:26-39
2 Pet 2:20-22
1 John 2:24

 

A very good case for denying the Calvinist take theology: namely, GOD is the One doing everything, Man could not oppose an All Powerful Being if he tried.

These verse show the Armian veiwpoint that man CAN reject, turn away or be mislead into thinking he is doing it GOD's way, when in reality, he is doing it HIS way.




NIV Matthew 7:21-23
 21.  "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
 22.  Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
 23.  Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

NIV Matthew 10:22
   All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

 

NIV Matthew 24:12-13

  but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

NIV Mark 13:13
   All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

 

NIV John 15:1-6

 1.  "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
 2.  He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes  so that it will be even more fruitful.
 3.  You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
 4.  Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
 5.  "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.
 6.  If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

NIV Romans 11:21-22
 21.  For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
 22.  Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:27
   No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

NIV Colossians 1:23
  if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

 

NIV 1 Timothy 4:1

  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

NIV Hebrews 2:1-4
 1.  We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away.
 2.  For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,
 3.  how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
 4.  God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

NIV Hebrews 3:6
   But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

NIV Hebrews 3:12-19
 12.  See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
 13.  But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.
 14.  We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
 15.  As has just been said: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."
 16.  Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
 17.  And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert?
 18.  And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed ?
 19.  So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.


NIV Hebrews 4:1
 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

NIV Hebrews 4:11
   Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

NIV Hebrews 6:4-13
 4.  It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
 5.  who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
 6.  if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because  to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
 7.  Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.
 8.  But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
 9.  Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation.
 10.  God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.
 11.  We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
 12.  We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.


NIV Hebrews 10:26-39
 26.  If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
 27.  but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
 28.  Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
 29.  How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
 30.  For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"  and again, "The Lord will judge his people."
 31.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 32.  Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering.
 33.  Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated.
 34.  You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.
 35.  So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.
 36.  You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.
 37.  For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay.
 38.  But my righteous one  will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him."
 39.  But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.


NIV 2 Peter 2:20-22
 20.  If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
 21.  It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
 22.  Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"  and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."


NIV 1 John 2:24
   See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

1,211 posted on 04/22/2005 11:10:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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