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To: adiaireton8
My personable belief is Mary could have been assumed by Christ but historical evidence is lacking. Christ Resurrection was dogma from day one yet it takes 1900 years of questioning Mary's Assumption for it to become a damnable offense to not believe.

I put my faith in Christ's rising from the dead, not Mary being called Queen of Heaven. Does she sit on the left hand side of God while Jesus is on the right? If being Queen she must be close to being equal to God. Just some pondering questions, I will accept it either way, God will do what He wants. It is just not implied directly by Scriptures only tradition starting 400 years after the Resurrection of Christ.
1,181 posted on 04/22/2005 8:40:51 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: rollo tomasi

I put my faith in Christ's rising from the dead, not Mary being called Queen of Heaven.
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But alas....Rev. 17..does show you a system that declares herself to be Queen. Not only that GOD specifically says His people are sitting in her or He wouldn't be making the call for His people to "Come OUT of her" because He is going to destroy her and all that are in her.

"COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!!!" or YOU will see DESTRUCTION..NOT BLESSINGS...DESTRUCTION!!!!

He seemed to think we should come to realize WHAT we should be coming out of.


1,186 posted on 04/22/2005 9:14:37 AM PDT by BriarBey ("He Who Does Not Remember History Is Condemned To Repeat It")
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To: rollo tomasi
The issue here comes down to the authority of the Church. When the Church teaches definitively that Mary was assumed, then we must believe it, just as we must believe the creeds. Deism is false. Christ guides His Church.

If being Queen she must be close to being equal to God.

That's definitely a non-sequitur. Mary is a created human being. Christ is the Second Person of the Trinity, consubstantial with the Father. Mary is exalted through being the Mother of Christ. Forever and ever she will always be the Mother of Christ. Being the Mother of Christ puts her in a very unique and exalted position. But she is 100% human, not divine. She is not God incarnate; Christ is God incarnate. Just learn what the Church teaches, before criticizing a straw man.

-A8

1,188 posted on 04/22/2005 9:19:26 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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