Study: Inmates suffer during lethal injections

Houston Chronicle ^ | April 14, 2005 | ERIC BERGER

[BykrBayb]

So, the only data they had upon which to base their findings was old blood, taken at some unknown point after death.

I performed my own study, and the results are shocking. 43 percent of scientists lack sufficient education to perform their jobs.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

OK, I think we can safely say the world has gone mad. The point at which this has happened may have been some time in the past - I think it would be hard to pin down exactly when the world lost its collective senses. But there's no denying that it's now happened. I'm sure this point has already been made but did we study the concentration of anesthetic in the blood stream of babies during partial birth abortion? Where they adeqately anesthetized while their brains were sucked out, hmmm?

[cricket]

"Okay, let's get rid of lethal injection. Killers should" be executed in the fashion that they killed their victims. Works for me!

Have thought as well, that maybe Justice is served by the same. . .have already found myself thinking just how 'Just' it might be, for that pervert in Florida, who kept. . .then buried the child- most likely - still alive, (her name escapes me), to suffer the same. . .

[MinuteGal]

No problem....it's like childbirth. The executed won't remember the pain the next day.

Leni

[little jeremiah]

The number of actual innocents who are judged guilty is infinitesimal. If we can't trust that generally speaking, those found guilty of horrendous crimes are actually guilty, then all bets are off.

The last time I read about death sentences being commuted due to supposed possibility of innocence, it was really just picayne ACLU type procedural details.

IF they're actually guilty, kill'em quick.

[little jeremiah]

And actually the guillotine was invented by a Monsieur Guillotine, in order to create an execution method that was swift and painless. More humane.

[IamConservative]

This morbid fixation on capital punishment goes back to the days of the guillotine. The guillotine was developed as an alternative to letting criminals dangle and kick on the end of a rope. Next thing you know, nut jobs are picking the severed heads up out of the basket and looking in the eyes trying to divine if their was any life left.

I also like this phrase: "I think the answer we found is yes." Actually, the conclusion is maybe.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Beats Henry the Eighth's method. Broadswords and battle axes. Wives can be so inconvenient.

Reply to a post you made about being guilty. I remember a quote, I think from my grandmother, that it is better to let ten guilty men go, than hang an innocent man. I've seen news accounts of men, mostly black, who were in prison for years for crimes they didn't commit. I say sue until they can't sit down!

[monday]

"The number of actual innocents who are judged guilty is infinitesimal."

Am I to understand that you believe that since this number is "infinitesimal" that it isn't important? What if it were you, or your son or daughter or wife, that was wrongly convicted and sentenced to death? Would it still be unimportant?

"This is a report on a study of exonerations in the United States from 1989 through 2003. We discuss all exonerations that we have been able to locate that occurred in that fifteen-year period, and that resulted from investigations into the particular cases of the exonerated individuals.

Overall, we found 328 exonerations, 316 men and 12 women;2 145 of them were cleared by DNA evidence, 183 by other means.

With a handful of exceptions, they had been in prison for years. More than half had served terms of 10 years or more; 80% had been imprisoned for at least 5 years. As a group, they had spent more than 3400 years in prison for crimes for which they should never have been convicted – an average of more than ten years each.3"

excerpt from; http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Prison-Exonerations-Gross19apr04.htm

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

That case was the first to come to mind for me...that slimebag deserves nothing less.

[reagan_fanatic]

I prefer the Reagan Fanatic way of execution myself...

[doberville]

EXCELLENT point!!

[cricket]

Interesting bit of history for Owensboro. . .

[little jeremiah]

I'd like to see more information about the exonerations - were they all exonerated because they were innocent and pure as the driven snow, or were they exonerated because some of the evidence used to convict them was later judged to be inadmissable, which is often the case with overturned convictions?

Are you against all death penalties? Come clean, now.

[little jeremiah]

The problem with letting the guilty go free is they kill more innocent people. So that is also condemning the innocent.

The justice system is seriously flawed, no doubt about it. The ACLU has done great harm in disallowing what kind of evidence can be used, making so many kinds of searches illegal, and so on.

Justice should be swift, none of this 20 years of appeals. This is a little OT, but all prisons should be self-supporting. The inmates should grow and produce everything they eat, wear, and sleep on.

[monday]

"I'd like to see more information about the exonerations "

Obviously not, or you would have gone to the link and read all about them.

"Are you against all death penalties? Come clean, now."

Absolutely not. Some people deserve to die and people with multiple witnesses to their crimes should be executed immediately IMO. I do worry about executing innocent people however.

There have been so many cases of convicts exonerated by DNA evidence lately, that it is quite possible that, at least occasionally, an innocent man is executed. Even once is too many times for that man/woman and their families.

Thats why I think immediate execution after the sentence is read, as you advocate, should only be done if the people who judged and sentenced the man are willing to face execution also if it turns out later they were wrong and he/she was innocent. Unless you advocate executing innocent men then that should be reasonable to you. Yes?

[little jeremiah]

To re-state my position perhaps more accurately: When it is been decided in a court of law that someone is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, using all available methods of determination, of a capital crime - the sentence should be carried out swiftly. Not in 20 years, 10 years, or 5 years. At 20-30 grand a year, that's too much of our tax money, and - justice delayed is justice denied.

The endless appeals are often motivated by groups who want to eliminate all death penalties. Very often it's not because anyone thinks the perp is innocent, but they try to get their special criminals exonerated via various minutiae of the law/technicalities. Total crap.

[monday]

"To re-state my position perhaps more accurately: When it is been decided in a court of law that someone is guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, using all available methods of determination, of a capital crime - the sentence should be carried out swiftly."

That is the standard by which all accused are convicted. Since it is obvious that in some few cases these convictions are miscarriages of justice resulting in the punishment of innocent men and women, then what you advocate is nothing less than murder in those cases.

People who execute innocent people, no matter what their intentions, should have to pay the ultimate price for their mistake. As the bible states. An eye for an eye.

[winodog]

LOL bump

[swordfish71]

One clean head shotwould solve that problem right away.

*snicker*