Religious extremists an insult to our values

The Age (Melbourne) ^ | 14th April 2005 | Pamela Bone

[wesley_windam-price]

Is that why they have "pack rape" by Arab gangs on
Australian girls 'cause they deserve it from the
way they dressed ("sleeveless, strapless, backless.
mini-skirts)?

[Fiat volvntas tva]

Is that why they have "pack rape" by Arab gangs on Australian girls 'cause they deserve it from the way they dressed ("sleeveless, strapless, backless. mini-skirts)?

No, I think it's because they have a shortage of goats on Arab Street these days. :-)

[Servant of the 9]

A man with a beard wearing a dress in an incitement too, and is asking for an invite to a "Deliverance" Party.

and I hope someone throws one for them.

So9

[jolie560]

Any concept that gets chewed on by a Muslim cleric will end up to be a prelude to something fatal.

[Gava]

Hiding one's own beauty is very evil.

[kalee]

"all this to tease men and to appeal to (their) carnal nature."

These men have never heard of self control or personal responsibility?

[Americanexpat]

No it is because they do not repect women, especially if she is non-Muslim.

If theu can not rape a woman they will rape a male just as easily.

[jbloedow]

These men have never heard of self control or personal responsibility?

Of course women don't have any obligations for self-control and personal responsibility when it comes to how they dress.

The sheiks may be nuts, but the fact remains that there is some obvious truths to some of the observations about the way women dress. Women expect men to behave responsibly when they do whatever they want? Reminds me of Nicholson's line in "As Good As it Gets":

Receptionist: How do you write women so well?

Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

[Gava]

Moderation, however, is just fine. The veils and robes are cultural, symbols of desert nomad ancestry. We have every right to accept those.

[wesley_windam-price]

If theu can not rape a woman they will rape a male just as easily.

I can see that. Mark Shepherd, the martyr of the gay movement, was gang raped by some Arabs in Egypt. Supposedly, that's what turned him gay.

[Arpege92]

You forget that Melvin Udall was nuts in that movie.

[browardchad]

a British study of family violence (reported by Geraldine Brooks in her book about Islamic women, Nine Parts of Desire) found that women married to men of Muslim background were eight times more likely to be killed by their husbands than any other women in Britain.

Geraldine Brooks had best watch her back. The ROP doesn't take kindly to criticism, even when it's backed up by statistics.

[TNdandelion]

These men have never heard of self control or personal responsibility?

Their idea of personal responsibility is to kill the woman that they just raped.

[jbloedow]

You forget that Melvin Udall was nuts in that movie.

You forget that the legions of fans who thought his female characters were spot on were not nuts.

[MonaMars]

"Of course women don't have any obligations for self-control and personal responsibility when it comes to how they dress."

You're so right about inappropriate dress being an invitation to rape. Why just last week I passed a construction site. The men were working on the roof, no shirts, tight jeans, shaking their shingles around in the most wanton way. It was all I could do to keep from climbing up there and sodomizing them with a caulking gun. They were just asking for it. Construction sluts.

"Women expect men to behave responsibly when they do whatever they want?"

She gets to wear a tube top, so why don't I get to rape? It's just not fair!!!

[jordan8]

that a woman who wears a short skirt and gets drunk "would definitely be at higher risk of sexual violation than, say, a sober Muslim woman at home".

Nothing but the truth there.

We are, irrevocably, a multicultural society, and most people like it that way and want it to continue to work.

Most people, even in a democracy, are sheep and do what they are told to do by the elite. I dare say multiculturalism isn't as dear to the average Australians heart as the writer believes, though the irrevocably part is probably correct.

[Arpege92]

The attitude of some of the men on this thread really surprises me. I hate that phrase "she was asking for it". No woman ever asks to be raped!

[MortMan]

These imams sound like they're sight-reading the script for a new movie - "The First Temptation of Mohammed".

My 5 year old daughter has more sense than to try and say she did something wrong because "somebody made her". When does "it's not my fault" cease to be a viable excuse for the islamicists?

[jbloedow]

You're so right about inappropriate dress being an invitation to rape.

Ya, MonaMars, that's exactly what I said! Um, not...

I just pointed out the absurdity of demanding self-control and personal responsibility from men whilst not demanding ANY from women, or assuming women were simply incapable of it. Not exactly a subtle distinction!

It doesn't take a genius to realize the truth of the observations regarding the way women dress in the West today, a way that is deliberately designed to attract attention from men, and indeed to provoke them sexually. Does that mean it's ok for men to act out those urges like cavemen? No. Does it mean that women are irresponsible, immature, and hypocritical? Yes.