China's container ship fleet and Taiwan's security (MUST READ, chinese sneak attack?)

The American Thinker ^ | April 11th, 2005 | Frederick W. Stakelbeck, Jr.

[elmer fudd]

Our most effective response to a Chinese invasion of Taiwan would be to tell them that if they do it not one Chinese product will be allowed into the US. It would hurt them a lot worse than it would hurt us. There are billions of other impoverished third worlders that would be happy to manufacture products for us, but there aren't billions of affluent Americans waiting to buy Chinese goods if we refuse to.

[Thud]

The containers will be off-loaded by levitation.

[paleocon patriarch]

"As if our satellites can't see that. Stealth technology - we have it, they don't."

Oh yea, I have all the confidence in the world in our vaunted intelligence community!

[logic]

Unfortunately the Chinese are smart enough to wait until we have potus like clinton (or worse, if that's possible....) so they won't have to worry about us sticking up for them....

[Paul_Denton]

I don't think the Chinese aspirations are that great yet, but this Taiwan thing is getting more and more ominous. At present, our military is better than theirs but the economic fall out that would happen if relations between the two countries got totally antagonistic would be horrendous. Would China pull out it's assets in the American stock market? Would the US pull out economically from China. Somehow I fear that we have more to lose than they do.

Our economy is the least of our worries. It works both ways. If China shut themselves out they would not make any more money off the crap they sell to us.

[SaltyJoe]

It's a good theory, but the Chinese are more likely to use North Koreans as a hired gun for a one way mission. If one can link Saudi money to Al Queda or Sinn Fein to the IRA, then it's not hard to imagine North Korean SOF (or ex-SOF) soldiers as mercenaries or gulag prisoners radicalized for the purpose of murder and mayhem.

BTW, the Trojan ship idea is not new. Before container ships, thoughts were focused on using a converted oil tankers to house a fighting force.

The Soviets used converted passenger aircraft for paratroopers.

Both World War 1 and 2 had "Q" ships made to sucker submarines.

There are many examples of engineering civilian vehicles for transport into mobility and surprise for the military. With the recent unpleasantness for tyranny in Iraq, both Chinese and North Korean leaderships have been given an education on the use and scale of bribery. Perhaps the real "shock and awe" is what little it took to turn military generals from their sworn loyalty to a dictator into a champion of change.

Many may not think the Trojan ship plan will work, but it's a real threat that would have to be countered. Devils are not divisive against each other, but mankind is. That's why Revelations speak of 3 reigning anti-christian organizations: the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. I could explain more, but I don't think I have enough time right now.

[Jeff Head]

The historical prcedent is there. We have hundreds of these ships near our coasts at any ont time. In my Series I have the Chinese convert one group of ships as tatcical missile launchers, disguising the launchers as containers. From well off the cooast, on our "Pearle Harbor Day", they launch hundreds and hundreds of tactical missiles (non-nuclear) at us and destroy a lot of infrastructure, the White House, Capitol, shipbuilding works, etc. all along both major coastrs and even in the Gulf at Pascagoola.

This happens after an escalation in the Mid East with Iran and Syria, and after the North Koreans go south, which both stretch us very thin. World War III.

[RightWhale]

They must have a beachhead first. Once they have that they can use any means they want to flood the island with troops. But, they won't lead with container ships. Makes no sense.

[SauronOfMordor]

In my Dragon's Fury Series they made alterations to create jump jet carriers, missile launchers, and amphibious assault ships.

In World War II, Britain built aircraft carriers by putting flight decks on cargo ships. If the Chinese had a bunch of cargo ships with helipads and refueling facilities, how many troops per hour per ship could they ferry between ships just offshore and a beachhead onshore?

You gotta think there's a bunch of Chinese officers trying hard to figure out "outside the box" ways to do this, possibly involving unconventional attacks, use of "5th column" elements prepositioned in Taiwan, chemical warfare, or next-generation weapons that we don't know about (yet)

[SauronOfMordor]

Wouldn't a ship like this need to be unloaded with shore-side cranes? Put's a crimp in the whole invasion theory, no?

How hard would it be to build ships with structural fittings to be able to quickly install one or more cranes on short notice?

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

[Jeff Head]

See This Thread...and then look at posts 79 and 80 thereon. Wierd.

[Jeff Head]

They would not commit said ships until the ROCAF was subdued I am sure.

In addition, they would probably try and use RORO capabnility and take dock facilities intact if they used such a scenario.

[Polybius]

They would not commit said ships until the ROCAF was subdued I am sure. In addition, they would probably try and use RORO capabnility and take dock facilities intact if they used such a scenario.

Russian Diesel Subs May Go to Taiwan

[Jeff Head]

The Russians have already sold 12 of these to the Chinese Communists I believe.

[Calpernia]

ping

[Cindy]

I appreciate this ping Calpernia.

[the invisib1e hand]

China is beginning to get on my nerves.

[BIGLOOK]

Agreed. The Taiwan Strait would be heavily mined before any invasion fleet from the PRC got half way across.

If the PRC tried to dock a "Trojan Horse" container ship in a Taiwanese harbor, the results would be disastrous for them.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!