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Canada oil sands favor the Midwest (Includes serious liberal whining)
Chicago Tribune bia Petroleumworld.com ^ | 04 05 05 | Robert Manor

Posted on 04/09/2005 9:48:08 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter

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Provincial law requires oil companies to restore areas they strip mine, and they have tried to put the land back into place. "But they are not restoring forests,'' said Helen Walsh, arboreal campaign director for the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society chapter in Edmonton. "They are restoring grasslands. Ecologically speaking, it's going to be very difficult to put it back into forest.''

You expect them to plant fully mature trees?

"The markets are driving the petroleum industry to this horrible exploitation," Walsh said. "It's mostly demand from the U.S."

They kept you waiting until the bitter end but eventually they said it.

It's Bush's fault.

1 posted on 04/09/2005 9:48:08 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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"The industry refers to such land as "disturbed. "

The environmentalists refers to such land as "deeply saddened.''

2 posted on 04/09/2005 9:54:30 PM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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LOL.....MOST forest products companies are moving their operations to FASTER FOREST growing areas of the world....like Brazil......it takes way TOO long to grow a tree in Canada.....and they just don't get that big, anyway. AND, they likely ARE putting forests back, but it will take 100 years for the trees to be 30 feet high....


3 posted on 04/09/2005 9:59:24 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Environmentalists make me puke.


4 posted on 04/09/2005 10:01:04 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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The tar sands in Alberta are fully practical at $50 a barrel.

There is a huge deposit of the same sort of stuff, but with way less sand and clay mixed in, at the Venezuela - Columbia border. This is why Chavez is aggressing into Columbia, why he recently bought 100,000 AK47s from China, why he has made huge oil for weapons deals with the Chinese.
5 posted on 04/09/2005 10:17:38 PM PDT by Iris7 (A man said, "That's heroism." "No, that's Duty," replied Roy Benavides, Medal of Honor.)
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[Energy analysts say Alberta can produce 3 million barrels a day for at least 165 years.]




Never tell me that we're in imminent danger of "running out" of oil.


6 posted on 04/09/2005 10:21:10 PM PDT by spinestein
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To: Straight Vermonter; All

For those of you out there who like to invest, here's a company I've been watching (on and off) for two years:

http://www.cos-trust.com/

The name is Canadian Oil Sands Trust and their stock has done very well. They don't seem like a fly-by-night oil exploration group either.


7 posted on 04/09/2005 10:26:12 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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I went to a bridge tournament this weekend in Northern MT and a bunch of people from Calgary were there. I had a lengthy conversation with a man in the oil business there and he told me the oil sands can last for 300 years. He was very excited about their new extraction technology which finally makes the sands a viable rival to Arab oil and says Canadians love us, the Chinese are not going to get that oil. All the big American players are there.


8 posted on 04/09/2005 10:33:39 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: Straight Vermonter

all the environ-wackies will now have to move back to the States...sigh....


9 posted on 04/09/2005 10:34:51 PM PDT by bitt (Go sell crazy somewhere else. We're all stocked up here.)
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You expect them to plant fully mature trees?

Couldn't they engineer some kind of system to scoop out larger trees and replant them in areas being restored?

10 posted on 04/09/2005 10:40:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: goodnesswins

The lack of intelligence from environmentalists claiming trees won't grow...simply proves that they really don't know what they are talking about...trees, environment, nuclear energy, clean air, bio-diversity, global warming, etc. University professors are pumping out environmental wanna-bes...and these dimwits can't process information or state clear facts or even carry on a decent intelligent conversation. Every time one of these guys show up on NPR...I start laughing. There are at least five totally fictional statments that they will make...absolutely bogus...and the public believes every word.


11 posted on 04/09/2005 10:40:58 PM PDT by pepsionice
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How do you propose to move a 100' tall tree that weighs several tons?


12 posted on 04/09/2005 10:43:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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One thing I am curious about, is what happens to the land level. When they fill it back up, they have less volume to refill the holes with because they took the tar out of the sands. On the other hand, maybe therein is an answer to the landfill problem -- make up the volume with trash?


13 posted on 04/09/2005 10:45:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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Godzilla of course


14 posted on 04/09/2005 10:45:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Straight Vermonter

Liberals? A miserable excuse for Liberals. These are reactionaries. They are being left behind and are weakening rapidly.


15 posted on 04/09/2005 10:47:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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Most lumber companies and I'm sure petroleum companies, plant more trees etc than they cut.


16 posted on 04/09/2005 10:48:22 PM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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Godzilla's busy. When last heard from, Godzilla was being outfitted for an expedition to China, which apparently has never been invaded by giant mutated monitor lizards. Apparently, the big beast decided on Chinese for lunch as a change from his usual Kobe diet with the occasional New York bagel snack.


17 posted on 04/09/2005 10:49:51 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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How do you propose to move a 100' tall tree that weighs several tons?

Easy. One 2 x 4 at a time. ; )

18 posted on 04/09/2005 10:51:43 PM PDT by elli1
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To: MplsSteve

Alberta oil exploration companies are not fly by night they are experienced operators.

The Oil Trusts are like mutual funds. They pool capital from private and institutional investors and invest in exploration companies with proven production and good prospects based on extenstive exploratory drilling a geophysics.

Look up Banks Energy and Velvet Energy to see how a classic Canadian energy play is set up. The upside on a good exploration project in the Sands is phenomenal.

See also SmartStox.com for a video interview and report on Banks Energy.

No I am not an investor in Banks. I'm a resource news writer.


19 posted on 04/09/2005 11:55:01 PM PDT by beaver fever
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Sure now you tell me. Where were you a year ago?


20 posted on 04/10/2005 12:16:02 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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