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The gate of Hell - (let us never forget, lest it happen again; this time from Islamofascism)
NEWS TELEGRAPH.CO.UK ^ | APRIL 10, 2005 | Alexander van Straubenzee

Posted on 04/09/2005 9:33:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: CHARLITE

Reading that caused my hair to stand on end. There is nothing like eye witness accounts. Nothing.


21 posted on 04/09/2005 10:35:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Windsong
yawn

From your profile:

Pro-Isreal
Pro-Life

Coulda fooled me.

22 posted on 04/09/2005 10:41:35 PM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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To: philetus

LOL, I posted the same thing further down.


23 posted on 04/09/2005 10:42:26 PM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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To: Popman
No matter how many times I read accounts like the above. I find myself stupefied at the evil that we as a race are capable of. Never again indeed.
24 posted on 04/09/2005 11:10:05 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Jan171781

Never forget? How many times has it hapened since?


25 posted on 04/09/2005 11:35:44 PM PDT by Domangart (4+)
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To: eldoradude
Have you noticed how closely the democrat party line resembles the nazi party position on gun control, euthanasia, hatred of judaism, support of palestine...?

Yes. All too similar. And they call us Nazis. Hmph.

26 posted on 04/09/2005 11:37:50 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Windsong
yawn

Congratulations on the most idiotic reply I've ever read on FR.
27 posted on 04/09/2005 11:39:32 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Domangart
Never forget? How many times has it hapened since?

Never forget lest it is repeated. The Islamonazis are already trying, through terrorism and sharia law. The Nazis and Islamonazis all belive in one thing: The extermination of Jews as well as all other faiths. While the Nazis belived in a superior race, the Islamonazis belive in a superior "religeon."

28 posted on 04/09/2005 11:42:18 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Windsong
"yawn"

Your comment is less than impressive.
It is unfortunate that you chose to express such indifference and then claim an appreciation for the various Spec Op groups on your FR homepage.

29 posted on 04/10/2005 12:05:30 AM PDT by Khurkris (This tagline is available on CD ROM)
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To: Windsong

I don't understand why you didn't back up your "yawn" with such as the following:

Then came the realization that there was not just one Holodomor, but three. Before the 10 million Ukrainians killed in 1932-33, there were 3 million killed the same way in 1921-24. And, another million were killed in 1946. There were three cycles of Holodomor in Ukraine, killing a total of 14 million innocent men, women and children.

Since it will never be possible to ascertain the exact number of deaths, estimates fall on a range. Michael Vickery estimates 750,000 deaths,[2] while Ben Kiernan adds to that another 800,000. Karl Jackson puts the figure near 1.3 million,[3] while the Campaign to Oppose the Return of the Khmer Rouge (CORKR) claims at least 1.5 million deaths. The Khmer revolution was perhaps the most pernicious in history; reversing class order, destroying all markets, banning private property and money. It is one worth studying for the ages, not for what it accomplished, but for what it destroyed.

Murambi, Rwanda - Rwandans began a week of mourning on Thursday for at least 800 000 people slaughtered during the country's 1994 genocide, with grisly accounts from survivors and the reburial of remains of victims exhumed from mass graves.

People are right to say we should never forget, but lets not forget all the genocides that happened and not just remember the Holocaust. I may be wrong but I think that this is where Windsong is coming from.


30 posted on 04/10/2005 12:39:21 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Windsong

Calling for attention?


31 posted on 04/10/2005 12:59:17 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: Windsong
I wonder if people will yawn at your execution. The Germans that this man could not forgive for their indifference are the same kind of people.

I thank you for reminding me that it is not a racial thing, scumbags come in all colors it seems.
32 posted on 04/10/2005 2:38:11 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Tuba Guy; Alabama MOM; WestCoastGal; DAVEY CROCKETT; SevenofNine

Ping


33 posted on 04/10/2005 4:52:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: CHARLITE

Wow.


34 posted on 04/10/2005 4:55:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: rawhide
"yawn" I do not understand your indifference? Are you human?

Other than the possibility of being a troll, there's also the possibility that the sheer concept of millions of people being exterminated to attempt genocide is so far beyond a lot of people's concept that tossing such numbers around either numbs or approaches irrelevance.

I found the same thing with most of the classes I taught, until I came up with something to convey the point

At the beginning of a class, at the start of a Holocaust unit, I run a little math problem past the students: If a sheet of paper has 4 columns of names, and each name has 54 lines (which is about right for a standard 8.5X11 sheet of paper), how many sheets of paper would it take to list 6 million names? With 500 sheets in a ream, how many reams? With 10 reams to a case, how many cases?

After they come to the realization that it would take a little more than 5.5 cases, I hand them sheets of paper with, yes, 4 columns, 54 lines printed on them. As they leave the classroom, they get to drop the papers into the top of a half-full case of paper.

Oh, the names? No, I don't know that many names. Instead of names, I have printed,

This was someone's mom.

This was someone's brother.

This was someone's uncle.

This was someone's dad.

This was someone's sister.

. . . and so on.

Most stop looking at the Holocaust from a bored, detached viewpoint after that.

35 posted on 04/10/2005 5:15:01 AM PDT by Quiller
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To: Jan171781
"It could happen here. The targets may not be Jews - they may just be fellow Americans (IE: Moslem Americans)- but the tactics will be the same - the illegal usurpation of public power and control by a demogogue or band of demagogues. "

Some of us do remember the lesson of the Holocaust. But obviously, some don't.

36 posted on 04/10/2005 8:29:08 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Some of us know Evil when we see it, mrsmith.


37 posted on 04/10/2005 9:11:58 AM PDT by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: sarah_f

I certainly do Sarah.


38 posted on 04/10/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Mrs. Smith, you added Muslim Americans. True, persecuting someone purely for religious beliefs is not correct, unless those beliefs are dangerous to society.

Suppose some religion preached child sacrifice? Would persecuting them be indefensible?

Most average Muslims are probably like everybody else. But the radical anti-western Wahhabists and those who think like them should be definitely beyond the pale of any protection. And yet we see no apparent efforts to stop these people here or anywhere in the west.

They could very well become the NAZIs of tomorrow here, as they are the NAZIs of today in other parts of the world.


39 posted on 04/10/2005 7:40:44 PM PDT by Jan171781
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To: Jan171781
"persecuting someone purely for religious beliefs is not correct, unless those beliefs are dangerous to society. "

I suppose some people could take the lesson from the Holocaust that 'Persecution is justified if "those beliefs are dangerous to society"'.
But they may "very well become the NAZIs of tomorrow here."
You and I will have to keep our eyes out for them won't we?

I've no desire to adopt foreign laws about freedom of conscience. We have the best.

Being an American I don't care what any American believes. Anyone who doesn't break the law can believe what he wants.
Bigots ( including Wahabbis) are free to believe that Moslems or any other religion deserve "persecuting"- however if they act on that belief they'll face "prosecuting".

40 posted on 04/11/2005 12:11:52 PM PDT by mrsmith
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