Posted on 04/09/2005 3:59:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff
Charming, aren't you?
The only person I see insulting other people's religion in this thread is you.
I'm guessing you don't have too many friends.
The God of Israel is different from other gods in that he has no son. Zeus, for example, had sons. God has no son.
The Jewish Bible is monotheist. Monotheism means that there is a definite distinction between God and man. Men are men and God is God. No man is divine, not even the Messiah, should he ever come.
I do NOT believe that God sent his son and I do not believe God is a liar. Paul is a liar. Paul admits that he is a liar (1Corintians 9:19-22). God is not a liar.
LOL! You've got a hyperbole problem, my friend.
What are you so worried about, anyway? People are free to choose their faith in this country, based on what they believe is the truth. No one is forcing conversions on Jews.
Since our rules of engagement here are the same as the "Price is Right" I win because I didn't go over the estimated win in popular vote percentage or electoral votes. :)
But on a serious note, your estimate was 100 or more electoral votes when in fact the victory was only 34 and the popular vote was a difference of less than 2.5%. And while I did say Kerry could win, I did predict a squeaker either way. It virtually became that.
Factor that the President had no primary challenger to batter him ala Dole in 96 and the President himself in 2000 (although Dole was bloodied much more than the President was in 2000), there were signs of an economy on the mend, the war while prolonged had been showing signs of progress and the extremely generous bounce of the convention, you're right, it should have been in excess of 100 electoral votes and a 7-10 point victory.
In addition, I wrote those comments in March, several month before the election. For someone who is just an armchair watcher, I got close. And factor that I don't have the resources, polling, internal memo access, access to strategy makers and other tools that you have.
While the President single handedly breathed new life into a Kerry Campaign that was down to it's last ember until after the first debate, in March of 2004 no one would have guessed the genius of the Swift Boats or the ability to energize the evangelicals like was done in 2004. The evangelical movement was almost to the point of annointing the President the next coming of Christ. It was frankly amazing the how the message was shaped and presented. Thankfully it worked, but how that was done was a masterpiece of unbelieveable public relations. There were some disappointments over the 4 years that evangelicals suffered between 2001 and 2004, yet getting all those evangelical voices singing off the same page and almost verbatim pitches was nothing less than amazing.
You sound as hostile to Christianity as Saul was before he encountered the Risen Christ. I'll pray that you meet Him too. The fact that the Son of God came out of the Jewish Community is a wondeful honor!
That's some spin you got there.
I've seen heated debates in NYC whenever the JFJ have made an appearance in the subway, Times Square, etc. At least they're not as obnoxious as the "Black Isrealites."
Fantics.
At the Los Angeles Israelis Independence Festival, the let the Jews for Jesus people set up a table. Outside the festival, in the parking lot, behind a police barrier that keeps them from bringing their tracts inside.
Fanatics..that should be.
Ouch. Well, i guess he's still okay.
May I need to get an agent to start talking to Kraig Kitchen.
"Now you people out there."
Ok, on a serious note, what in my post was spin?
Only because you are ignorant of the bible. Paul says he preached the Gospel. Paul spent time with the disciples. Peter preached the Gospel.
Paul admits he is a liar in the following verse?
"For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without the law as without law... that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." 1Corintians 9:19-22 NKJV
Listen, instead of getting bible knowledge from some idiotic internet site that has axes to grind, why not get yourself a copy of a bible and read it yourself. The pounts the source for the above quote that you used is the bigest pile of manure I have read. The author is either an idiot or the biggest con artist since the nigerian bankers.
Major? It is the center of Christianity. It is the Gospel in its entirety. Jesus died for us. We remember that and pass this message on to others. That is the entire story. Everything else is window dressing.
Your ignorance about Christians is painful to watch. It would be better if you simply listened rather than parrot crap you read from dubious sources.
Me: I don't consider the blood-drinking ceremony to be a major part of his preaching, do you?
You: Major? It is the center of Christianity. It is the Gospel in its entirety.
The eucharist is the Gospel in its entirety? More important than the Sermon on the Mount???
What you are saying is that God did not send his son to earth to tell the people how to live, he merely sent him here to die. That makes no sense.
You: Jesus died for us.
One man cannot die for the sins of another. The Old Testament says that three different times. Each man is responsible for his own sins.
You: Paul admits he is a liar in the following verse?
"For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without the law as without law... that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
Yes. Paul admits that he will say anything.
Paul claimed to be a "Jew among Jews," a "Pharisee among Pharisees," a former rabbinical student under Gamaliel, a former persecutor of Christians. I think he even claimed to be a member of the Sanhedrin.
I don't believe any of it.
Your questions proves your ignorance. You have a basic misunderstanding of christianity. You are arguing against a straw dog of your own creation. Do yourself a favor, study it before you continue to embarrass yourself.
All of Judaism is about substitition for sins. Your ignorance of christianist is surpassed by your ignorance of Judaism.
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