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Jay Sekulow: How a Jewish Lawyer from Brooklyn Came to Believe in Jesus
jewsforjesus ^ | 2005 | Jay Sekulow

Posted on 04/09/2005 3:59:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff

I came to the courtroom early, before the proceedings began. The podium was adjustable, right? I lowered it. I'm five feet, seven and a half inches tall and the last thing I needed was to be standing up on the tips of my toes to reach the podium! When I came back later, for the proceedings, I looked in the back row and there, sitting all together, were my good friends, Moishe Rosen (founder of Jews for Jesus, and at the time, executive director), Tuvya Zaretsky, Susan Perlman and Russ Reed (three of Jews for Jesus' board members), plus my wife, my parents, and a lady from the Los Angeles Board of Airport Commissioners who accidentally sat in the wrong row! The thing that struck me was, when I looked back at the "Christian row" my parents were right in there. Whatever their feelings may be about my beliefs, they were there to support me. And I felt God's presence in that courtroom.

I wasn't too nervous until a couple of weeks before the trial, at which time I became pretty tense. I mean, for a while there, I was physically sick. I knew I was not the best. I don't generally lack confidence, but this was definitely the "big leagues." Despite all the commercial success I'd achieved as a lawyer, I knew that in the Supreme Court of the United States, I was basically just a kid. At age 30, I had to get special permission to defend the case. Yet, by the time I walked into the courtroom I felt great. I should have been a nervous wreck but I wasn't. People were praying for me and God came through.

The stairs I had to climb to get into that courtroom seemed like they were made for giants. And it felt like 14 flights, though I'm sure that's an exaggeration. I signed in with the clerk of the court, who, if I were Catholic, I would say he ought to be canonized. His job, in addition to the paperwork, is to create an air of friendliness which helps soothe last minute jitters. He tells you how it's going to be fun, you're going to enjoy it; everybody looks great--he helps everyone relax.

Next, I met the Marshal, who was decked out in a full-length tuxedo. Once the clerk helps the participants to relax, the Marshal underscores the formality of the whole procedure. He is the one who says "Oye, oye oye. The Supreme Court of the United States is now in session. All these gathered, draw nigh and speak your peace."

The room itself is awe inspiring. The ceilings in the Supreme Court of the United States are about 30-feet high, or at least they seem like it! They are painted very elaborately--lots of gold, with "Equal justice under the law" in big, fancy letters--and the most ostentatious Greco-Roman architecture imaginable. The justices come walking out in their big dark robes and slam down the gavel. I'm telling you my heart skipped a beat--it was very impressive. I was sitting about eight feet away from the justices, maybe ten. My opponent was just across a little podium from me; we were practically staring into each other's faces.

I knew God was present. It was clear. Even my parents, who don't believe like I do, said "the calmness was eerie." My wife (who does believe like I do) put it a little differently. She said she sensed the presence of the Spirit of God. My parents weren't sure what they sensed, but they knew it was something very much out of the ordinary.

The actual proceedings began with announcements of verdicts from previous cases. Then they started the day's docket. Our case was the first to be heard that day. I could hardly believe it when I heard them say, "Now we'll hear case #86-104: Board of Airport Commissioners et al. versus Jews for Jesus." While the justices were busy raking the opposing counsel over the coals, I was sitting with Barry Fisher (the civil rights attorney who assisted me) changing the strategy of our case. We saw where the judges were headed and we knew we'd have to reply to what was being said.

Half an hour later, I heard a voice call out, "Mr. Sekulow?" And I went up there. Me, a short Jewish guy from Brooklyn, New York, went before the justices of the Supreme Court of the United States to defend the constitutional right to stand in an airport and hand out tracts about Jesus!

I'd prepared my first sentence carefully, because I knew it might be my only opportunity to make a statement. I said: "Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the court, local governments have important interests to protect concerning the efficient operation of the airports under their jurisdiction; however, the facts in this case do not justify the repression of cherished first amendment freedoms based on a broad ban prohibiting all first amendment activities to take place." That's all I got to say. That was it. Because for the next half hour, they grilled me.

Justice Scalia and I got into a dialogue that reminded me of the teacher-student interactions from my days back in law school. He'd say "What if this and this?" and I'd have to answer him. There were times when I had to say, "Your honor, that's exactly what I did not say. You left out such and such." And so it went for the next thirty minutes of what was probably the most intense experience of my life.

I left the courtroom feeling like the Beatles must have felt leaving Shea Stadium. Or for those who might not know the Beatles, I felt like "Rocky" after the fight. If you don't know about Rocky, how about a prima ballerina after her first performance? Okay, so a ballerina I'm not, but I felt great! I knew God had brought me through that trial--and he'd brought me through much better than I'd dared to hope.

I had walked into the courtroom thinking about Jesus and how he overturned the moneychangers' tables at the Temple. Jesus was an activist; he stood up for what he knew was right. I drew strength from his example.

This case had already been decided in our favor by two lower circuit courts. The judges had ruled that people cannot be excluded from exercising first amendment rights in the airport.

I know it's a sidetrack, but the lawyer in me can't resist cautioning the reader against sympathizing too quickly with the airport commission, which is trying to restrict the distribution of religious literature. Whether or not one appreciates seeing individuals clad in "Jews for Jesus" T-shirts handing out literature at the airport is immaterial. If their rights of free speech are denied in the airport, who knows when and where you may eventually be denied your freedom of speech?

So now you know about my big day in the Supreme Court. And you've probably surmised that my interest in the case was from more than a purely legal perspective So how did a Jewish kid from New York get involved with Jesus? It happened like this....

I was born on June 10, 1956, in Brooklyn, but we moved to Long Island just after I was born and lived there until I was into my teens. My family attended a Reform synagogue in Long Island; it was not a fancy building, but I remember it had thick, plush drapes. It's funny, the things one remembers. I was very impressed with those drapes; I don't know, maybe because my friend's dad donated them. I liked Friday night services, which we attended about once a month, but Hebrew school, well, unfortunately, none of the kids in our class liked Hebrew school. We were not very well behaved. Sometimes I had the feeling the only reason the cantor didn't kick my friend and me out of the class (which he threatened to do) was because that was the friend whose dad donated the drapes!

"Religion" was not a big topic of discussion in our home. Sometimes my father referred to "The Supreme Being," but he usually reserved such references for the holidays. I didn't think much about God either. I do remember that when I was 13 years old, I'd exchange friendly insults with a Gentile friend of mine, a Catholic. We'd tease each other about our different backgrounds. We were never really serious about it, but I do remember wondering for a brief moment whether Shaun could possibly be right about Jesus. It seemed strange that such a thought would even enter my mind, but it left about as abruptly as it had come. I was pretty secure in my Jewish identity, which, as far as I knew included not believing in Jesus. Although we weren't "religious" we did many things to reinforce our culture and our heritage. I especially enjoyed the many Jewish celebrations: my bar mitzvah, for example.

That was a red letter day. Instead of my usual blue yarmulka with the white lining, I wore a white satin yarmulka with gold embroidery, and a tallis to match. Maybe my performance was leaning toward mediocre, but still, to be bar mitzvah signalled the end of Hebrew school and the thrill of "growing up."

Two years later, my family left New York and moved to Atlanta, Georgia. We joined a synagogue which I would describe as "very Reform." In contrast to our little Long Island synagogue, this one was quite elaborate. An ornate chandelier hung from the center of the beautiful domed ceiling; the ark was made of marble and gold, and we had gold velvet cushions on the seats to match.

As with the synagogue, our new home was also fancier than what we had in Long Island. It was a traditional two-story colonial brick house. Even with all the extra space, we still ended up congregating in the kitchen. It wasn't just for meals, although you'd better believe, my mother makes a great meat loaf. The kitchen was also the place for my parents, my two brothers, my sister and me to shmues and enjoy each other's company.

My high school grades were pretty much like my bar mitzvah Torah reading--mediocre. It wasn't dull wits or laziness, just a short supply of motivation. I actually enjoyed hard work. In fact, I went out and got a job just as soon as I could. By the time I was 17 years old, I was a night manager at a large department store called "Richway." I had my own set of keys and adult responsibilities. I always loved to work; it's just that I waited until college to start working at my grades.

My original plan was to attend a two-year college for some business education courses, and go straight back to work. After a short stint at the local junior college, I developed an appetite for learning and decided to enroll in a four-year school.

My desire to stay in Atlanta was probably the main reason I looked into Atlanta Baptist College (later known as Mercer University). I visited the school and found the friendly, small campus atmosphere appealing. To add to the appeal, the campus was only a five-minute drive from our house! "Dad," I asked, "Will it bother you if I go to a school that calls itself a Baptist college?" But my Dad is a pragmatic man.

"Baptist-shmaptist," he told me. "I'm glad you decided on a four-year college. Go ahead, get yourself a good education."

I enrolled in Atlanta Baptist College with a competitive determination to outstudy and outsmart "all the Christians." I did well in my pre-law studies, and attacked the mandatory Bible classes with a cynical confidence, certain that it would not be difficult to disprove "their" idea that Jesus was the Messiah.

I met a guy named Glenn Borders, whom I immediately labelled a "Jesus freak." Glenn took his religion seriously. There could be no doubt of that; he wore a big wooden cross around his neck! I knew of Jewish people who wore a rather large "chai" but I'd never seen anything the size of Glenn's cross. Despite his outward appearance, Glenn turned out to be a "regular guy." When we talked, I forgot about the big wood cross--maybe because Glenn wasn't trying to shove it down my throat. It turned out that Glenn played college sports, was active in the student government association, and he even managed to find time to be a good student. Glenn was the kind of person who was there to help if you needed him. He was a good friend. It was partly due to our friendship that my competitive attitude toward the Bible courses I was taking changed to an attitude of genuine curiosity.

Glenn suggested I read Isaiah 53. My mind was boggled by the description of the "suffering servant" who sounded so much like Jesus. I had to be misreading the text. I realized with relief that I was reading from a "King James" Bible, and after all, that's a "Christian" translation. So the first thing I said to Glenn after I read it was "Okay, now give me a real Bible." I grabbed the Jewish text, but the description seemed just as clear. Even though this caught my attention, I wasn't too worried. It still sounded like Jesus in the "Jewish Bible," but there had to be a logical explanation.

I began to research the passage and I started to look for rabbinic interpretations. That's when I began to worry. If I read the passage once, I'm sure I read it 500 times. I looked for as many traditional Jewish interpretations as I could find. A number of them, especially the earlier ones, described the text as a messianic prophecy. Other interpretations claimed the suffering servant was Isaiah himself, or even the nation of Israel, but those explanations were an embarrassment to me. The details in the text obviously don't add up to the prophet Isaiah or the nation of Israel. Did I ask the rabbis? No, I didn't ask the rabbis. I read what the rabbis had written over the years, beginning with ancient times, but frankly, I hadn't been too impressed with anyone I'd met lately. My last impression of what to expect from the Jewish religious establishment had been in a service where, when somebody sneezed the rabbi said, "God bless you." Then he said, "What am I saying? I don't believe in God."

I kept looking for a traditional Jewish explanation that would satisfy, but found none. The only plausible explanation seemed to be Jesus. My Christian friends were suggesting other passages for me to read, such as Daniel 9. As I read, my suspicion that Jesus might really be the Messiah was confirmed. That decision however, was strictly intellectual. I'd been struggling to resolve this question for about a year, and I was glad to have finally arrived at a decision.

How did I feel about believing that Jesus was the Messiah? Actually, I was half relieved. Once I'd gotten past the point of not wanting to know, once I took out my paper and pencil and began my lists of why Jesus was the Messiah on one side and why he wasn't on the other--I realized something. I had never felt the need for a Messiah before, but now that I was studying the prophecies and reading about what the Messiah was supposed to do, it sounded pretty good. I'd always thought my cultural Judaism was sufficient, but in the course of studying about the Messiah who would die as a sin bearer, I realized that I needed a Messiah to do that for me. When I concluded that Jesus was that Messiah, I was grateful. It didn't occur to me that I needed to do anything about it.

A few days later, one of my Christian friends invited me to hear Jews for Jesus' singing group, The Liberated Wailing Wall. You have no idea what a relief it was to see other Jews who believed that Jesus is the Messiah. Their presentation of "Jewish gospel music" and some of the things they said helped me realize that if I really believed in Jesus, I needed to make a commitment to him. At the end of the program, they sang a song called "I Am Not Ashamed of the Gospel" and they invited people who wanted to commit their life to Jesus to come up the aisle to meet with them at the front of the church. I responded to that invitation. It was February, 1976.

I wasn't concerned about how my parents would respond. It didn't enter my mind that they might be upset. After all, Jesus was a Jew. I knew that much. I didn't see what the big deal would be about my believing he was the Jewish Messiah. He was Jewish, I was Jewish, I didn't see that there was any reason for us not to believe in him.

As I walked up the aisle in response to the invitation, I got my first hint that Jews who believe in Jesus are sometimes ostracized by family and friends. A lady I'd never met said, "If you get kicked out of your home tonight, you can stay with us." I had a very good relationship with my parents. I didn't smoke, drink, use dope--I didn't give them grief and we were always very close. Did this lady know something that I didn't?

As it turned out, my parents did not react the way I know that some families of Jewish believers have. But after what this woman had said, frankly, I was a little scared. I wasn't prepared for that kind of a reaction, so I decided I wouldn't say anything at first; I'd wait a while. But my relationship with my parents was such that I just couldn't do that. I could not keep such a major decision from them. I tried, but I really couldn't. I got home at about 11 p.m. and went to sleep. I woke up at about two o'clock in the morning. I couldn't go back to sleep, so what did I do? I went and woke my father. I told him I'd decided Jesus was our Messiah. His response was, "You decided?" And of course, he was implying, "Who are you to decide?" but he didn't elaborate. He just shook his head sleepily and said, "We'll talk about it in the morning."

Well, morning came, and he didn't say a word about it. Neither did I. My parents knew I believed in Jesus; they knew I was getting literature from Jews for Jesus because I was living at home and they saw it. In fact, I know they read some of it out of curiosity. Sometimes I'd find it in the "reading room" (the bathroom)--not in the trash--just out where it was obvious that my dad had been looking over it. Since I was living under their roof, I felt if they didn't want to discuss it, I should leave well enough alone. Our relationship didn't change and I have always been grateful that whatever my parents might think of my beliefs, they love and respect me enough to prevent any disagreement from tearing us apart.

It wasn't until three years later that my parents and I actually discussed the subject of Jesus. I was in law school at Mercer at the time. Jews for Jesus ran a gospel statement in the Macon paper, "The Messiah has come and his name is Y'shua." My parents either came across the ad, or I showed it to them; I don't remember which. We discussed it; they didn't agree, but they were never hostile. They knew I was still Jewish; they knew I hadn't undergone any drastic personality changes--I wasn't involved with some strange cult.

I got married in 1978 on my birthday, June 10. I had just completed my first year of law school. I went on to graduate from law school in the top 5% of my class. I began my career at law as a tax prosecutor for the IRS. It was the best experience I could have had. In one sense it's a miserable job; prosecuting people for fraud and tax evasion never won anybody a popularity contest. I even had a few death threats from time to time. What made it worthwhile was the fact that I was trying as many as twelve cases per week. It was phenomenal. That kind of experience can really launch a person into a terrific career--if the person wins their cases, which I did. I stayed with the IRS for about eighteen months, then my name came up for a transfer which I didn't want to take.

At that point, I figured, "If I'm going to set up private practice, now is the time to do it." So I rented space with a friend from law school. Our monthly overhead was about $1600. I thought that was a fortune! I didn't have a client, not one, but I did have some good contacts. In less than eight months, my firm was up to nine lawyers, two full- time CPAs and three para-legals. We were the fastest growing firm in Atlanta. How did we do it? We took on some pretty controversial cases and won. We were known as very tough litigators and we developed a rapport and a good client base. When people were in trouble, they went to Sekulow and Roth.

Stuart Roth and I could hardly believe that our clients were paying us these $25,000 and $35,000 retainers, and here we were just 26 years old. But despite the fact that we were very young, when clients walked out of our office, they knew we were taking care of them.

Both my family and business life were flourishing. My wife and I had a son. In addition to the law practice, I began a real estate development firm which grossed over $20 million after the first year.

I kept in touch with Jews for Jesus and became a member of their board of directors. Business continued to flourish and Pam and I had another son. Yet there was something else I wanted to do. I thought more and more about using my legal skills to serve God. In 1986 I became the Jews for Jesus General Legal Counsel. That is how I happened to be defending a case before the Supreme Court of the United States, as described at the beginning of my story.

Incidentally, the verdict on that case was unanimous. The decisions of the lower circuit courts were upheld, and the Supreme Court declared the airport's resolution to curtail first amendment rights unconstitutional. Since the trial is over, however, I can devote myself to C.A.S.E: Christian Advocates Serving Evangelism. That is what we've named the new organization which will be defending the legal rights of individuals and organizations who are telling the gospel--specifically in issues relating to access, as in parks, college campuses, street corners, and of course, airports. We will work with other groups to ensure that the access to first amendment rights remains protected. It's pretty scary to think that the day could come when people might be prohibited from expressing their beliefs in a public forum. The public, of course, has the right to refuse the literature. If people are annoyed that there are Jews (and others) who believe in Jesus, then so be it. But there are people who are looking for God, for answers to the question of how to know him. They need to hear the good news about the Messiah, and we must protect our right to tell them.


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To: malakhi
A non-Jew or an apostate can no more declare himself to be halakhically Jewish than I can declare myself to be emperor of France.

What about Jay Sekulow?

301 posted on 04/13/2005 12:33:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Inyokern
"If it were proven that Moses did not exist, the Torah would not be diminished any more than Shakespeare's plays would be diminished if it were proven that Shakespeare did not exist."

Not sure I get your drift; if Moses did not exist than it would throw in doubt the context, transcriptions, commandments and laws found within the Torah itself.

As for Christ; His existence is as much in doubt as many of the prophets and events that have been transcribed in the Torah. Faith in those that witnessed and recorded those events is what we have to go on initially. In addition, the actions of those that claimed to have witnessed these events helps to persuade whether their claims are truthful and heartfelt.

If the Apostles did make it all up, and Christ did not exist, it is hard to believe they would have chosen to live the lives they did and eventually allow themselves to be killed in such gruesome ways. It also is clear that the Apostles ministry, after Christ's resurrection, was based on a real person given what transpired. As stated by you previously, many false Messiah's came before Christ yet they did not garnish the devotion and attention that Christ did. Why?

Logic dictates that those that failed to inspire were proved to be false, where Christ was not.

You must think very little of the people (both Jew and Gentile) of that time to suppose they would follow a myth yet reject a real person.

In the end, your arguments subjugating the Apostles to con artists and/or thieving cult members is not supported by what is known of those who claimed to have experienced the resurrection. In addition, your argument that Christ never existed is not supported by the evidence that is available.
302 posted on 04/13/2005 1:06:07 PM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: P-Marlowe
What about Jay Sekulow?

Jay Sekulow is an apostate from Judaism. By his conversion to Christianity, he has cut himself off from the Jewish people. By virtue of his birth, however, he maintains a tenuous connection, in that, should he repent and renounce his apostate beliefs, he could return to Judaism without needing to re-convert.

Based upon what I read in the article posted above, I think Sekulow would be classified as a tinok shenishbah, one who was raised with no knowledge of Judaism and thus not responsible for his lack of belief and observance. Jewish law recognizes that someone like him deserves more lenience than someone raised in an observant home who becomes apostate.

303 posted on 04/13/2005 1:25:34 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
By his conversion to Christianity, he has cut himself off from the Jewish people.

What about Jews who have converted to Atheism? They are legion. Are they apostate? Or is belief in God irrelevant to status as a Jew?

304 posted on 04/13/2005 1:28:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
What about Jews who have converted to Atheism? They are legion. Are they apostate? Or is belief in God irrelevant to status as a Jew?

An atheist has not "converted" to anything, but rather has lost his belief. He stands a better chance of returning to Jewish belief than does someone who has actively embraced another faith. Someone who becomes agnostic or atheist, but who continues to be observant, and who doesn't speak out against Judaism, would probably be handled more gingerly than someone who actively speaks out against his former beliefs. The object is to get the person to turn back to God, not to unduly punish him.

305 posted on 04/13/2005 1:42:49 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi
Which specific Jewish belief has Jay Sekulow spoken out against? In what way has he spoken out against Judaism?

It would seem to me that a misunderstanding of who or what the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is would be less offensive than a denial of the entire concept of God. Jews seem to be instantly disfellowshipped for speaking out in favor of Jesus of Nazareth, yet how many Jews have been disfellowshipped for speaking out against the whole idea of God?

306 posted on 04/13/2005 2:48:41 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: PigRigger
If the Apostles did make it all up

The twelve apostles, if there actually were twelve, did not necessarily make up anything. Two of the four Gospels carry the names of two men who were supposedly apostles, but there is no proof that those books were actually written by them. There is no acknowledgement of authorship in them like there is in Paul's epistles.

There are epistles named Peter and James in the New Testament but most scholars doubt that Peter and James actually wrote those. The Peter and James epistles tell us amazingly little about Jesus' life.

All of the writings of the Judean Nazarenes were destroyed by the later church because they were deemed heretical. None of it exists today.

In short, we really do not know what the apostles said or believed. It cannot be proven that even one word of the New Testament was written by anyone who actually met Jesus.

307 posted on 04/13/2005 5:08:57 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
It cannot be proven that even one word of the New Testament was written by anyone who actually met Jesus.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Moses was the author of the Torah? Did God really write the 10 commandments in stone? Did David really exist? Did Solomon really exist? Did Abraham really exist?

308 posted on 04/13/2005 5:20:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Inyokern
In short, given your thinking, we don't know for sure who authored the Torah. Nothing can be proved; thus it was really a work of fiction and never meant to be taken seriously.

I've heard it was authored by the Egyptians to calm the Jewish slaves.

Sounds absurd doesn't it, yet you can't prove that it is not true, so it must be true.

Your arguments are and full of speculation without proof yet you continue to embrace such unprovable nonsense as if it were true. Sad really. Than again, given your posts on this thread, I should not have hoped for better.

Shalom
309 posted on 04/13/2005 6:20:25 PM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: P-Marlowe
Which specific Jewish belief has Jay Sekulow spoken out against? In what way has he spoken out against Judaism?

What he has done is more than simply lapse into agnosticism. He has actively embraced a different religion. Now, the fact that he and you may think that his beliefs are the "fulfillment" of Judaism is irrelevant. He publicly professes beliefs which are anathema to Judaism.

Jews seem to be instantly disfellowshipped for speaking out in favor of Jesus of Nazareth, yet how many Jews have been disfellowshipped for speaking out against the whole idea of God?

I've already pointed out the distinction between an agnostic or atheist and a person who has converted to another religion. I've also said that a person who struggles privately with disbelief would be treated differently than one who actively speaks against theism.

310 posted on 04/13/2005 7:52:03 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: PigRigger; P-Marlowe

I admit that I cannot prove that Moses existed nor can I prove anything else in the Old Testament, just as you cannot prove anything in the New.

However, with regard to the Old Testament, the people who were at the scene of the action, the Israelites, passed on to their children the belief that the Old Testament was true.

As to the New Testament, the people who were at the scene of the action, the Judeans, passed down to their children the belief that it was FALSE.

The people who came to believe the New Testament were not people who lived where the events supposedly took place, they were people who lived in other countries and were told about the events by traveling preachers. It is as if you and I were to believe that we know better about something that happened in Japan than the Japanese do because some traveling preacher told us.


311 posted on 04/13/2005 9:13:09 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: P-Marlowe
Which specific Jewish belief has Jay Sekulow spoken out against?

Why don't we start with this:

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them...."

312 posted on 04/13/2005 9:21:34 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern

What graven image does Jay Sekulow worship?


313 posted on 04/13/2005 10:15:11 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Inyokern
"The people who came to believe the New Testament were not people who lived where the events supposedly took place, they were people who lived in other countries and were told about the events by traveling preachers. It is as if you and I were to believe that we know better about something that happened in Japan than the Japanese do because some traveling preacher told us."

We base our beliefs on events transcribed by those who claimed to have witnessed them. Furthermore, we must base our decision to embrace such accounts on circumstantial evidence surrounding the claimed events. This includes, and is not limited to, the actions of the those who claimed to have witnessed them. In the end, our faith is based understanding these events and seeking God's guidance.

All Jews and Christians alive today have been passed to them a book of records to help in their pursuit. We are now all at the mercy of "traveling preachers". No Rabbi, Pope, or man of the cloth was alive during these times. Not one of us can claim, as a human, that what has been recorded is the definitive truth. After all, we are human; imperfect and full of doubt and sin. That is the human condition. Our trust and faith in God must guide us.

Yes you are correct, the majority of Judeans during the time of Christ rejected His message; but some did not. Those that did embrace Christ preached Christ's message to the Jew first, than to the Gentile, as Christ commanded. It is clear that not all Jews rejected Christ's message. The book of Hebrews was explicitly written for those who were of Jewish heritage. In addition, the first believers were all Jewish, the disciples themselves. Again, they were a small minority, but to claim no one of the Jewish faith embraced Christ is not correct.

You believe that the Apostles were thieving con artists that created a cult (based a a non-existent deity) to gain material wealth and prestige. You believe that it was some huge conspiracy set in motion by evil men.

I believe Christ is the Messiah as prophesied in the Old Testament.

I base my beliefs on the my studying of the Old and New Testaments and the actions of those that claimed to have witnessed the events that were transcribed.

Your theory does not hold up when you look at how the disciples lived their lives (before and after Christ) and how they ultimately died.

I am not attempting to convince you that Christ is the Messiah; only you can do that. However, I do suggest you rethink your position with regard to those who initially followed Christ. The Apostles may have been misguided, misled, or fooled by some sort of trickery. But to suggest that they were con artists is simply not supported by any evidence. It is slander and serves no other purpose than inciting ill will.

Obviously you are one that seeks the truth, so am I. We are both God fearing and wish to do right in God's eyes. We both admit to our sinful nature and ask for God's forgiveness. Thus, there is much we agree upon. So I believe this is a good place to end this discussion. In the end I pray you find the truth and peace you are looking for; I pray God helps you along the way.

Shalom
314 posted on 04/14/2005 4:55:12 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: malakhi
There is no one here or anywhere else who has the authority to remove Jay Sekulow's Jewish-ness. You may not like that he a Jew has accepted Jesus as Messiah, but there is absolutely nothing you can do about it or the million or so other Jews who have done likewise. As we get closer and closer to the end of days before He returns millions more Jews will also embrace Jesus the Jewish Messiah.

And the argument against Jesus being the Messiah will be decided when we each stand before Him. Intellectual arguments will useless before Him. He knows Who He is and anyone who wants to know the truth of it should for their own sake and the sake of your family read what the word of G-d has to say about the Messiah Yeshua [salvation] and ask G-d for His truth on the matter rather than be satisfied with what men have written about this eternally important decision. To not take an honest look at this is the most foolish decision anyone can make. It is all there in the word of G-d for you to accept or reject.

315 posted on 04/14/2005 8:01:34 AM PDT by free_life
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To: free_life
There is no one here or anywhere else who has the authority to remove Jay Sekulow's Jewish-ness.

You are right, in a sense, in that HE did it himself when he converted. He cut himself off of klal israel. However, like any religion Jews most certainly DO have the right to define who is part of their membership. And frankly, YOU don't have any say in the matter.

316 posted on 04/14/2005 11:32:03 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: churchillbuff

Thanks for posting


317 posted on 04/14/2005 5:49:14 PM PDT by Michael2001 (Every man lives, and every man dies, but not every man truly lives)
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To: GOPPachyderm
Jesus is Jewish, the disciples were Jewish and most of the Bible was written by Jews. Thank you for bringing the Light of the world - including us Gentiles. """

The prophetic passages from Isaiah and the Psalms are so clearly describing Jesus Christ (to my mind at least) that I'm not surprised Sekulow had a hard time denying what his eyes and mind were telling him.

318 posted on 04/14/2005 7:20:21 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: malakhi
he has cut himself off from the Jewish people. """

I think he says he's Jewish. His mother is, and they're on good terms.

319 posted on 04/14/2005 7:21:45 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: PigRigger
to suggest that the apostles were con artists is simply not supported """

That's sure the truth. "Con artists" don't dream up a "con" that is guaranteed to get them executed. The apostles kept preaching Christ even when ordered to stop or face execution. That's not what "con artists" do. "Con artists" dream up schemes for an easy life at other people's expense, not a hard life of servanthood and martyrdom.

320 posted on 04/14/2005 7:25:04 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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