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Yankee Group slams 'Linux extremists'
ZDNet UK ^ | 7 April 2005 | Ingrid Marson

Posted on 04/07/2005 1:09:46 PM PDT by ShadowAce

The Yankee Group has hit back at critics in the Linux community who have claimed that its surveys comparing Linux and Microsoft Windows are not impartial.

Its latest survey, published on Monday, reported that Microsoft Windows Server 2003 is at least as good if not better than Linux, in terms of quality, performance and reliability.

Laura DiDio, an analyst at the Yankee Group who has been at the receiving end of much of the criticism from Linux advocates, claimed the radical elements of the community could damage the reputation of open source software.

"There's an extremist fringe of Linux loonies who hang out on forums and are disrespectful and threatening because you disagree with them," DiDio told ZDNet UK on Wednesday. "That can hurt the Linux community."

DiDio feels she has been unfairly criticised on open source forums, including being nicknamed DiDiot, and has even had Linux advocates contacting her at home. "I've had these nut jobs calling me at 11 o'clock at night," said DiDio.

The reactionary nature of much of the open source community is something that DiDio claims is unique in the software industry.

"I've lived through the Unix wars — none of them reacted in this way," said DiDio. "It's just software. This has got way out of proportion."

Some of DiDio's critics have claimed that Yankee Group's surveys comparing the total cost of ownership of Linux and Windows have been funded by Microsoft. DiDio strongly denies this claim.

"I don't take any money from any vendor," said DiDio. "Yankee Group paid entirely for the survey. We use an independent survey house."

Yankee Group surveyed executives at over 500 companies, asking them questions on factors that influence TCO such as deployment costs, the cost of downtime, and the time and staff associated with security attacks.

As the study was carried out independently, DiDio said she had no influence on the results. "I think its hilarious that I'm [accused of] colluding with 500 or a 1,000 people," said DiDio.

The fanatical side of the Linux community has been highlighted by others in the past. Security analyst Mi2g, which released research last year claiming that Linux was hacked more frequently than Windows, experienced a 'hostile' response from some in the community, according to the company Web site.

"Any empirical evidence pointing to a high level of online Linux breaches is immediately shot down by religious zealots as if a church had been desecrated," Mi2g stated on its Web site. "The management of Mi2g has been threatened with damage to reputation and online property unless more is preached in favour of Linux."

Several senior executives at commercial open source vendors have also admitted privately that they are concerned that the radical side of the open source community could damage the reputation of open source software.

Although there are some negative aspects to the open source community, some point out that there are many positive aspects including the team work, the lack of hierarchy and the supportive element of the community.

Jon 'Maddog' Hall, the president of Linux International and a leading open source advocate, said at the LinuxWorld conference in London last year that one of the great aspects of the open source community is its willingness to help others.

"A friend of mine is a systems administrator at a large company and uses a lot of open source software to help him in his systems administration tasks," said Hall. "He said that if he asks a question [on a forum or mailing list] he gets lots of responses by the next morning. He told me: 'I give so little and I get so much.'"


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KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft; polls
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1 posted on 04/07/2005 1:09:46 PM PDT by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 04/07/2005 1:10:07 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I hate the Yankees. Go Red Sox!!


3 posted on 04/07/2005 1:10:51 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: onef

Linux ping


4 posted on 04/07/2005 1:11:37 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: ShadowAce

You don't agree with me, so I'll call you an extremist.

Get over it lady, you are a shill and have to pay the price.


5 posted on 04/07/2005 1:12:16 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: big'ol_freeper

People who follow the SCO vs the World circus know that Laura DiDio is to her field what Paul Krugman is to political punditry.


6 posted on 04/07/2005 1:14:32 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: ShadowAce

There are truly some freaky, hostile pro-Linux people. Of course, DiDio is one of the freaky, hostile anti-Linux people, so she shouldn't be complaining.


7 posted on 04/07/2005 1:19:38 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ShadowAce
"There's an extremist fringe of Linux loonies who hang out on forums and are disrespectful and threatening because you disagree with them," DiDio told ZDNet UK on Wednesday.

They used to be OS/2 loonies until IBM said Linux was OK. ;)

8 posted on 04/07/2005 1:21:55 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: antiRepublicrat
...so she shouldn't be complaining.

I think that any radical is truly surprised that there are people who disagree. When it happens, the critics "must be radicals" themselves--even though they can't see themselves for what they are, themselves.

9 posted on 04/07/2005 1:22:49 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Many moons ago I remember a company called NBI out of Boulder Colorado who were the manufacturers of a word processor. They were fighting for their lives as PC's came into the market.

So, to get positive press they hired the yankee group and the gartner group to provide some consulting. In turn they received favorable comments in the press from these alleged bastions of knowledge.

I wonder who paid them for some consulting this time?


10 posted on 04/07/2005 1:26:29 PM PDT by Pylot
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To: ShadowAce
Linux is basically free; microsoft charges and outrageous amount. If someone has for instance 3 computers at home, and wants to upgrade OS's he is supposed to buy 3 shrink wrapped boxes, win xp is $200 which is forking over $600 bucks to the richest man in the world for cdroms that basically cost 50 cents to reproduce. And this is cheaper than a freely copied open source cd? HA!!!
11 posted on 04/07/2005 1:30:40 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (.)
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To: ShadowAce
What??? There are extremist lunatic Linux nutjobs who are hostile on boards and show an unhealthy fanaticism towards their O/S of choice??? Surely she must be making this up. I've never seen that on any Linux threads here in FReeperville! (stifling laughter)

People DO get completely irrational with this O/S stuff. It doesn't matter which "side" of the O/S wars you're on (although I see more hostility from the anti-Microsoft side in my own, albeit limited experience). It takes on the form of "What? You disagree with my own personal conclusions? Well then I hate you, your ancestors, your progeny, and anyone who has a name that sounds like yours!" I do have to admit it's a hell of a lot of fun to pop into those threads and push buttons.

12 posted on 04/07/2005 1:39:44 PM PDT by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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Getting ready to try out Mandrake 10.1 on an IBM 380Z notebook (PIII, 233MHz, 96MB). Any cautions or suggestions from anyone?


13 posted on 04/07/2005 1:43:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: Jokelahoma

Software is one thing, but you've never seen anything until you've seen those raving Mac whackjobs...


14 posted on 04/07/2005 1:52:01 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Jokelahoma
People DO get completely irrational with this O/S stuff.

It's funniest to see them eat their own, like when Linus started using BitKeeper to handle Linux kernel development -- they went off on him. OTOH, they did have a bit of a point since BitKeeper is now discontinuing their Linux support, but then they only discontinued it because a fanatical Linux supporter was trying to reverse-engineer BitKeeper.

15 posted on 04/07/2005 1:53:44 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: kenth
Software is one thing, but you've never seen anything until you've seen those raving Mac whackjobs...

Or the "I've never used any modern OS besides Windows, but I know Windows is best!" Bill Gates butt-buddy whackjobs.

16 posted on 04/07/2005 1:55:44 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Jeeves
hey used to be OS/2 loonies until IBM said Linux was OK. ;)

Hold on thar, podner...

OS/2 did very well considering IBM's efforts to the contrary. There are loonies in every bin, and we (Team OS/2) certainly had our share. But we never had a monopoly in that department!

17 posted on 04/07/2005 1:57:36 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Still Thinking

"Getting ready to try out Mandrake 10.1 on an IBM 380Z notebook (PIII, 233MHz, 96MB). Any cautions or suggestions from anyone?"

Yeah...does your wife need an extra cutting board?...LOL!

Seriously it should run fine but take care that you have the drivers you'll need to run the audio and video on the notebook correctly!





18 posted on 04/07/2005 1:59:54 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: antiRepublicrat

Quiet, I'm fishing over here...


19 posted on 04/07/2005 2:05:21 PM PDT by kenth
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To: ShadowAce
The reactionary nature of much of the open source community is something that DiDio claims is unique in the software industry

Also, left-wing nutballs

20 posted on 04/07/2005 2:06:18 PM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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