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Schiavo judge's other 'right-to-die' case
World Net Daily ^ | March 24, 2005

Posted on 04/07/2005 8:16:31 AM PDT by amdgmary

Judge George Greer, the Florida county jurist at the center of the Terri Schiavo case, ruled against a woman who was fighting to keep her husband alive in 2000.

While Greer has ruled consistently with husband Michael Schiavo, who seeks to terminate his wife's life by depriving of her of food and water, the parallel case suggests the judge may have a predisposition to removal of any life-support devices rather than an inclination toward the legal guardian.

The 2000 case heard by Greer involved the life of St. Petersburg lawyer Blair Clark, a University of South Florida professor. After suffering a heart attack Sept. 9, 2000, his children, who stood to inherit much of his estate, claimed they wanted to honor his wishes to remove him from a ventilator and feeding tube and allow him to die. His wife, Ping, however, believed his condition could improve with therapy and claimed only one month later treatments had not been given enough time.

Unlike Terri Schiavo, Blair Clark, 58, had a living will, which stated: "If the situation should arise in which there is no reasonable expectation of my recovery from severe physical or mental disability, I request that I be allowed to die and that life-prolonging procedures not be provided."

However, his wife believed there was still a reasonable expectation of recovery.

"His living will did not say, 'Don't save me, just let me die,'" his wife pleaded. "They want to kill Blair and I don't know why. I want to ask, 'What's the rush?' I'm the only one who wants to save him. Every time I say yes, they say no. I had to go to court to give him blood."

But on Oct. 24, 2000, Greer ruled in favor of the children and against the wishes of the wife, ordering all mechanical ventilation and intravenous nutrition stopped.

Ping Clark, of Chinese descent, argued that four days of Chinese herbal medicine and acupuncture treatments had showed promise. She asked only for 30 more days of ventilator support and treatments.

Clark relied heavily on the opinion of neurologists, some of whom claimed Clark's chances of recovery were no greater than one in a thousand.

"If you love somebody, one in 1,000 is a chance worth taking, argued Dennis Rogers, Ping Clark's attorney.

After the ruling, Clark's wife was distraught and couldn't bear to visit the hospital to watch him die.

"I cannot see him die," she cried. "I know how much he wants to live. They'll be guilty their whole lives for killing Blair Clark."

Clark died a week after the ruling, Oct. 31, 2000.

Schiavo's feeding tube was removed Friday by order of Greer at the request of her estranged husband, Michael Schiavo, who contends Terri had expressed a wish to not live under her present condition. Parents Robert and Mary Schindler dispute the court's finding that their daughter is in a "persistent vegetative state," citing numerous physicians who believe she is responsive and could benefit from therapy.


TOPICS: Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; florida; judgegeorgegreer; judgegreer; schiavo; terrischiavo
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To: digger48; silverleaf
But it shows that even a Living Will can be subject to opinion. How can one cover all the possibilities for the actual meaning.

"Living wills" can be and ARE misconstrued. Also, over time, medical technology (that might ameliorate a previously dire situation) advances; and, one's own wishes may change.

It's much better to designate a trusted person to have durable power of attorney over your medical decisions, than to have a "living will."

Don't count on your next-of-kin being designated your legal guardian. Judges discount that kinship ALL THE TIME and transfer guardianship to the person THEY prefer.

See Do You Need an Advance Directive?, put out by the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide for some VERY STARTLING examples of abuses of "living wills."

62 posted on 04/07/2005 10:00:08 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: daylate-dollarshort
And...

...the right of a competent adult to make an advance directive ... or to designate another to make the treatment decision for him or her ...

63 posted on 04/07/2005 10:00:54 AM PDT by TigersEye ("It's a Republic if you can keep it." - B. Franklin)
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To: evilthatmendo; k2blader

You're welcome! :)


65 posted on 04/07/2005 10:02:11 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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To: TigersEye
Reasonable people will see what's going on, unreasonable people are unreachable.

Agreed.

66 posted on 04/07/2005 10:05:03 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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To: DJ MacWoW

BTTT


67 posted on 04/07/2005 10:06:36 AM PDT by auboy (We have become a nation based on the rule of law(yers).)
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To: digger48
Exactly, and how can you sign away your right to life without knowing nuances of circumstance and future technology.

I was all for them before this. Now I think they should be challenged legally, and I'll never sign one. The only thing I'll sign is a request as to who will be my guardian.
68 posted on 04/07/2005 10:07:28 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: DJ MacWoW

On another thread, someone was actually telling me "Terri wasn't killed."

This is the kind of truly depraved mindset we're dealing with here..


69 posted on 04/07/2005 10:09:00 AM PDT by k2blader (If suicide is immoral, then helping it happen, regardless of motivation, is also immoral.)
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To: AntiGuv
I'd like to note that (a) the living will is really a guide for family, it's too vague in most cases to be a genuine binding document (b) this only bears a resemblance to the Schiavo case in the senses that it's a right-to-die case in which Greer ruled that disputed evidence pointed to death and that the death advocates stood to benefit from the death.

The fact is, if you have a living will, you have to resign yourself to the fact that they may starve and dehydrate you even if there is some hope.

The only thing that's telling is that Greer wouldn't even give 30 days. I'd love to know if the hospice was involved, though.

70 posted on 04/07/2005 10:15:24 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "You're a luminary!" -- Howlin; "You are a wise man." -- Torie)
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To: agrace
but I have a hard time understanding why her kids

They probably weren't *her* kids.

71 posted on 04/07/2005 10:15:42 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: evilthatmendo

I'll say this and then leave.

You are the ones that have been wrong for all these years. You are the ones who have repeatedly mis-stated the law. Haven't you ever wondered why, despite all the repeated hearings, trials, appeals and dozens of Judges reviewing the law, Judge Greer's decisions have never been overturned??

Or are you so deluded that you actually believe that the entire judiciary, law enforement, EMTs and the treating phyisicians are ALL involved in some massive conspiracy against Terri Schiavo. A conspiracy involving dozens if not hundreds of proffesional people, virtually none of whom knew Terri or Michael Schiavo.

No, despite the dulusions of people on this board, there is no conspiracy, only hysteria.


72 posted on 04/07/2005 10:16:07 AM PDT by daylate-dollarshort
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To: agrace

She was born in China, he's a professor. Chances are the family hates her in part because she's much younger than him.


73 posted on 04/07/2005 10:17:09 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "You're a luminary!" -- Howlin; "You are a wise man." -- Torie)
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To: silverleaf
If he was smart- if any of us is smart, we better specify what we consider to be "severe" physical or mental disability!

As well as the meaning of "life prolonging procedures."

74 posted on 04/07/2005 10:24:06 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: evilthatmendo

Check out this link.

http://libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_clearwater_bar_association_judge_greer.html


76 posted on 04/07/2005 10:26:39 AM PDT by Sioux-san (Two attorneys donated to Greer)
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To: k2blader
On another thread, someone was actually telling me "Terri wasn't killed."

This is the kind of truly depraved mindset we're dealing with here..

Either she was living or she was dead. If she was living, she was killed. If they think she was already dead, what's their basis for that opinion? I find that some people just haven't thought it through. It's a "new" concept.

78 posted on 04/07/2005 10:30:31 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Life is always the Right choice)
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To: DJ MacWoW
If they think she was already dead, what's their basis for that opinion? I find that some people just haven't thought it through. It's a "new" concept.

I think they probably think she was already "dead." Another variation on that theme is: "she died 15 years ago." I'm not sure what the basis of their opinion is. My guess is they agree with the "right-to-die" doctor (I forget his name).

79 posted on 04/07/2005 10:35:18 AM PDT by k2blader (If suicide is immoral, then helping it happen, regardless of motivation, is also immoral.)
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To: amdgmary

It would seem that Greer sides with whatever family members stand to gain financially from a patient's death. What a ghoul.


80 posted on 04/07/2005 10:36:22 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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