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To: jmc1969

Now, remember, we must not replace these helicopters, no matter how old they are, how slow or how many fatal crashes they have. Replacing them means going with the V-22 Osprey, which has had a couple of fatal crashes during testing and must therefore be canceled at all costs.

The Luddites have spoken, don't you know.

Anything old is good. Anything new is bad. QED.


2 posted on 04/06/2005 5:30:13 AM PDT by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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To: Phsstpok

How do you know thery're old...my hubby's unit has quite a few new Chinooks.


4 posted on 04/06/2005 5:33:58 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Im twitterpatted)
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To: Phsstpok
Anything old is good. Anything new is bad. QED.

I hate everything.

6 posted on 04/06/2005 5:35:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: Phsstpok

You may want to wait to see what caused the crash before you bring up the subject of "Hangar Queens."


7 posted on 04/06/2005 5:36:36 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Phsstpok
"Replacing them means going with the V-22 Osprey"

Why does it mean that? New helicopters are both safe and fast.
22 posted on 04/06/2005 6:27:55 AM PDT by monday
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To: Phsstpok

Actually, the V-22 isn't replacing the CH-47, it's replacing the CH-46. The CH-47 is actually a good bird with decent speed when unladen. It also has two engines so it doesn't have a nasty habit of falling out of the sky at random intervals like the CH-46. And the CH-47 is operated by the Army, where the CH-46 and MV-22 will are operated by the Marines.


41 posted on 04/06/2005 9:18:42 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Phsstpok

from http://www.defensetech.org/
April 8, 2005 10:08 AM Discuss

OSPREY SPRINGS A LEAK
It'd be really cool if the Marines could get a hold of a reliable, tilt-rotor aircraft that combined an airplane's speed with a helicopter's abilities to takeoff without a runway. Too bad the crash-prone V-22 Osprey ain't it. For what seems like the zillionth time, the tilt-rotor craft has broken down, the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram is reporting.


Leaking hydraulic fluid triggered a fire in the engine compartment of one of the Marine Corps' newest V-22 Ospreys last week, the latest in a string of technical problems for the Bell Helicopter-built aircraft.

Navy and company spokesmen downplayed the seriousness of the fire, which they said was quickly extinguished and did little damage.

"There was never any danger to personnel or the aircraft," said Ward Carroll, spokesman for the Naval Air Systems V-22 Program Office...

Carroll said engineers were still investigating the cause of the hydraulic leak, which occurred in a low-pressure hydraulic line, not the more critical high-pressure lines.

Two V-22 crashes have been attributed in part to failed or leaking high-pressure hydraulic lines. In 1992, a leak led to an engine compartment fire that destroyed the drivetrain of a V-22 and caused a crash at Quantico, Va., that killed seven people.

A ruptured hydraulic line triggered a chain of events that led to another crash that killed four Marines in December 2000...

Before the Marines could begin the operational evaluation testing, the Navy and Pentagon were required to certify to Congress that a number of major issues had been adequately resolved, including the reliability of the V-22 hydraulic system.

Former Marine colonel and test pilot Bill Lawrence of Aledo, who has been critical of the V-22, said the fire was not a good sign for the safety and reliability of the Osprey.

"There are a ton of airplanes out there flying around with hydraulic fluid leaking and they don't catch on fire," Lawrence said.


73 posted on 04/08/2005 3:01:59 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (10 months in Bosnia was merely a dress rehearsal for the 13 months in Iraq)
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To: Phsstpok

V22's are zipping around the Panhandle of Texas like skeeters on a hot muggy day......lots of em ! Amarillo Bell Plant is the final assembly site.

No crashes yet.....:o)

Albeit I'm retired from the service and won't have to ride in em .....they appear to be doing pretty good. Flying in lots of bad weather etc etc ... Noisy SOB's though. They aint gonna sneak up on anything.


76 posted on 04/14/2005 7:49:15 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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