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R.C. Sproul: Schiavo's Death Marks America's Move Toward 'Neo-Barbarism'
Agape ^ | Ap 5 05 | Allie Martin, Bill Fancher, and Jenni Parker

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:54:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff

A leading pastor and theologian says last week's state-sanctioned death of Terri Schiavo marks a turning point for America, and it is crucial for the Church in this country to wake up and mobilize against euthanasia and other signs of the times.

Author and Bible teacher Dr. R.C. Sproul is the founder and chairman of Ligonier Ministries. His teaching can be heard daily on the Renewing Your Mind radio broadcast on more than 300 radio outlets in the U.S. and throughout 60 countries. Recently his attention was focused, like that of much of the nation, on the tragic and disturbing events of the Terri Schiavo case.

After all that happened to the disabled Florida woman, particularly in the final weeks of her life, Sproul feels the Church in America needs to wake up and recognize the serious threat to life and liberty that is operating in the very midst of the nation's system of government.

"I think it's time to go back and read the Declaration of Independence again," the theologian says. "We have some serious problems with the fundamental structure of government in the United States, and there need to be some serious changes. And my prayer is that this is what happens."

What needs to take place, Sproul contends, is what often happens in the history of society faced with one or more pivotal occurrences like the killing of Terri Schiavo. "Cultures change, governments change, usually when a single event provokes a crisis," he says. "It brings matters to a head. But we have an ethical crisis in this country, one that's not going to go away, with respect to the sanctity of human life."

The Christian author and minister believes the manner of Terri Schiavo's death reflects changes that have taken place in American culture since the 1960s. He notes, "Many years ago, Harold Lindsell described American culture after the revolution of the 60s as a 'neo-pagan culture.' I think now what Terri Schiavo's death marks is the transition to a neo-barbarian culture."

Barbarians, according to various encyclopedia sources, are defined by sociologists as those social parasites who prey upon civilization, sometimes enslaving others or looting and plundering, in order to survive at others' expense. And according to Sproul, America's "civilization" is beginning to look more and more like that.

"I think that's where we are," the minister says. "We've become barbarians, because what we've just witnessed is the willful starving and dehydration of a living human being." And lamentably, he adds, even many Christians believed it was right for the state to sanction the brain-damaged Florida woman's death.

Sproul says the Church needs to rise to the occasion of this crisis and fulfill its role as the conscience of the nation, before it is too late. He is urging Christian citizens to take a stand against euthanasia -- against the barbaric "culture of death" that threatens to overwhelm the mainstream America's ethical sensibilities.

Taking Terri's Struggle Forward Take a stand -- that is exactly what many of those pro-life supporters who were involved in the fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive are trying to do now as they enter what they call "Phase Two" of their effort. At a Washington, DC, press conference last weekend at Capitol Hill, Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition said those who fought to prevent the court-ordered starvation death of the disabled woman have moved on from the first part of their campaign -- designated "Terri's Voice" -- and are mobilizing in a new direction.

"The next part of the campaign is 'Never Again," Mahoney says, describing the effort to raise awareness about euthanasia, disability concerns, and other sanctity-of-life challenges, and to ensure that all disabled people are treated with dignity and respect.

"We're going to address these issues," the pro-life spokesman says, "and begin to take those first steps from the struggling and painful death of Terri into moving this forward in a positive way."

And one of the ways the Coalition plans to do this, he adds, is by addressing misinformation about the amount of public support for the court-ordered starvation of the 41-year-old hospice patient.

A number of mainstream media outlets have cited polls claiming most people favored the removal of Schiavo's feeding and hydration tube and also that a majority, by a wide margin, opposed a law mandating federal review of her case. But later this week, Mahoney says the Coalition will be unveiling what the group contends is a more accurate poll of the nation's views on the Schiavo case.

Now that Terri is gone, the Coalition members are concentrating their attention on the fight to honor Terri's memory by safeguarding against any similar tragedies in the future. "We must now work to ensure that this never happens again," Mahoney says, "that Terri's legacy will be remembered, and to ensure that all those with disabilities -- all the weakest in our society -- are protected."

Meanwhile, Terri's family and the volunteers of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have vowed to focus the efforts of the Foundation that bears her name on assistance to other desperate families seeking to protect similarly vulnerable loved ones.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Florida; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackthursday331; euthanasia; georgefelos; judicialhomicide; schiavo; sproul
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To: churchillbuff; keeper53; RnMomof7; xzins; Gamecock; Frumanchu; nobdysfool; topcat54; HarleyD; ...
Sproul says the Church needs to rise to the occasion of this crisis and fulfill its role as the conscience of the nation

Amen, Pastor Sproul. If not the church, who?

Thanks, Keeper, for pinging me to this excellent article.

And thanks to Churchillbuff for posting it.

Err on the side of life.

61 posted on 04/05/2005 11:17:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: churchillbuff

BUMP


62 posted on 04/06/2005 12:24:27 AM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: balrog666
What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.

Your comment motivates me to several responses:

1.She wasn't dead 15 years ago any more than you were dead the day you were born.

2. She had a lot more heart than you seem to have.

3. You obviously don't believe in miracles or, failing that, history either. There have been many who have recovered from comas.

4. Now the judges, her husband, and those who carried out the judges' orders are murderers.

5. You don't seem to understand the door this has opened for others who may be temporarily disabled. Instead of being protected by our courts and its officers, they now are in danger of being murdered by them.

6. And don't bother commenting on my tag-line; you wouldn't/couldn't understand it.

63 posted on 04/06/2005 3:08:03 AM PDT by good1 (Hurry to meet death, lest another comes and takes your place.)
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To: connectthedots
ksen, I thought Sproul believed in predestination as to all events, including the manner of Terri's death. care to comment?

I'm sure R.C. Sproul does believe in God's ordination of events. However, we do not know what that ordination is before it happens. So we are called to do what we believe it is God has called us to do and then to leave the results up to Him.

Other than that I would urge you to listen and read for yourself what Sproul has said on the matter.

64 posted on 04/06/2005 5:59:20 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: balrog666

And you my friend have had no heart for at least that long from the sound of your statement.


65 posted on 04/06/2005 6:03:46 AM PDT by mict42
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To: ksen; xzins; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911
I'm sure R.C. Sproul does believe in God's ordination of events. However, we do not know what that ordination is before it happens. So we are called to do what we believe it is God has called us to do and then to leave the results up to Him.

If that is the case, you cannot possibly know if most events are predestined/foreordained or a simply a result of a free will decision by a man; can you? It is kind of useless to watch something happen and then say it was foreordained or predestined.Sort of like predicting an event after it occurs.

66 posted on 04/06/2005 6:06:56 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: churchillbuff

Another 200 post pissing contest.


67 posted on 04/06/2005 6:07:08 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: ThelastPatroit

At least the Nazis usually put their victims to death quickly with a bullet or poison gas. They did not linger for two weeks without food or water.


68 posted on 04/06/2005 6:09:43 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: balrog666

Now that the precedent has benn established that it is legal to kill disabled individuals, and from your posts, you are happy it has.

Will you lead the charge to the nursing homes and rehabilitatin centers and start the killing of the disabled there?


69 posted on 04/06/2005 6:16:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: connectthedots
If that is the case, you cannot possibly know if most events are predestined/foreordained or a simply a result of a free will decision by a man; can you?

I can know because tells us in His word that He has planned whatever comes to pass.

It is kind of useless to watch something happen and then say it was foreordained or predestined.Sort of like predicting an event after it occurs.

Not at all. Just because I don't know what a specific outcome will be doesn't mean that I can't rest in the fact that God is in control no matter what happens.

70 posted on 04/06/2005 6:26:33 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: connectthedots; ksen; xzins; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; Revelation 911; Religion Moderator
If that is the case, you cannot possibly know if most events are predestined/foreordained or a simply a result of a free will decision by a man; can you? It is kind of useless to watch something happen and then say it was foreordained or predestined.Sort of like predicting an event after it occurs.

Haven't we been over all this before?

The topic of this thread is the death of Terry Schiavo, its implications for us as a society, and what we as the Body of Christ and as citizens should do. Can we please stay on topic and not turn this into another polemic against Calvinism?

71 posted on 04/06/2005 6:28:45 AM PDT by Frumanchu (I fear the sanctions of the Mediator far above the sanctions of the moderator...)
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To: Frumanchu; connectthedots; ksen

I agree with you that this thread is about Terri Schiavo.

I'm not even interested in who fired the first round in any renewal of the predestination debate.

I learn more from the actions and statements of those who supported Schivo's right to life than from how they think God foreknew it or not prior to that murder taking place.

I will stand with those who oppose any variety of murder by judicial decree.


72 posted on 04/06/2005 6:45:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Wallace T.
At least the Nazis usually put their victims to death quickly with a bullet or poison gas. They did not linger for two weeks without food or water.

Actually they starved them and worked them until they could no longer work and then they killed them.

73 posted on 04/06/2005 7:05:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Monterrosa-24

Wallpaper is HUNG. People are HANGED.


74 posted on 04/06/2005 7:10:34 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: P-Marlowe
Actually they starved them and worked them until they could no longer work and then they killed them.

And according to Felos they never looked better or more fulfilled than after they'd been without food for a week and a half.

75 posted on 04/06/2005 7:18:53 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: churchillbuff
umm, hello! What was Roe v. Wade?

rhetoric-alert.

76 posted on 04/06/2005 7:19:57 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. http://209.245.58.70/frosty65/ Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: Frumanchu; Religion Moderator

"The topic of this thread is the death of Terry Schiavo, its implications for us as a society, and what we as the Body of Christ and as citizens should do. Can we please stay on topic and not turn this into another polemic against Calvinism?"--Frumanchu

Yes, can we please?
Good for you, Fru!

keeper


77 posted on 04/06/2005 7:30:40 AM PDT by keeper53 ((www.monergism.com))
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To: ksen
According to a lot of medical "experts" that I saw on TV, the Holocaust victims must have been euphoric while they were being starved.

We need to take names.

78 posted on 04/06/2005 8:02:00 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Austin Willard Wright

I did not use "hung".


79 posted on 04/06/2005 8:05:13 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances. Human nature is dependably stagnant.)
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To: Frumanchu

please remove me from your ping list


80 posted on 04/06/2005 8:31:46 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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