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To: Sammy sam
In addition to all of the other excellent reasons posted on this thread, you are completely wrong because in order for your Utopian communist society to work, it cannot tolerate dissent. If everyone cannot agree on what the "common good" is, then the society has to impose its definition on the dissenters. But that removes the voluntary nature of cooperation from those people.

Communes and kibbutzes can work on a small scale because 1) it becomes progressively more difficult to find a common vision and purpose as the size of the community grows, 2) participation in the collective is completely voluntary, and 3) people have the right and ability to leave if the collective no longer shares their goals. None of this is true under your Utopian theory. Those who find themselves out of tune with the collective consciousness must be coerced, shunned, or banned.

61 posted on 04/05/2005 12:02:18 PM PDT by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: kevkrom

Don't forget killed!


65 posted on 04/05/2005 12:14:16 PM PDT by TrueKnightGalahad (It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. What is essential is invisible to the eye. A S-E)
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To: kevkrom

"Communes and kibbutzes can work on a small scale because 1) it becomes progressively more difficult to find a common vision and purpose as the size of the community grows, 2) participation in the collective is completely voluntary, and 3) people have the right and ability to leave if the collective no longer shares their goals."


No wonder the kibbutz system is dying in Israel. Most of them have turned capitalist -- for the very reasons above.


121 posted on 04/05/2005 4:25:18 PM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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