Theresa Marie Schindler... May Daily Thread 2005 CALL TO ACTION: Our Fight for Justice Continues

Various Sources ^ | April 3, 2005 | floriduh voter

[floriduh voter]

Freeper friends, Terri's Memorial Service is this coming Tuesday night in Gulfport, Florida. Please check and see if www.baynews9.com will carry it on the internet.

I'm still sad and in disbelief that the rescue fell apart. It was on it's way. We were waiting there for ambulances but instead two Sheriff's cruisers arrived.

There's much work to do. There are many work groups here carrying on for Terri.

The April Daily Thread as before will be a meeting place, a news digest and even in the midst of sorrow, a place to make friends.

I want to thank everyone who did everything humanly possible for Terri and her family. Terri's safe now from a room with the blinds closed, strange people and armed guards. She'd still be here if it wasn't for judicial despots who it appears have never read the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. or Florida Constitution.

Freepers, Republicans and Democrats alike voted against Terri or didn't do enough to save her from Judge Greer.

I'd like to thank Ralph Nader, David Boies, Joe Lieberman and Wesley Smith, Phd, author of Forced Exit.

I have disdain for the Naughty Nine Republicans in the Florida Senate who vote "No" which barred Terri from legislative relief. The GOP House Members who voted "No" on Terri, shame on them too.

WHAT EXACTLY IS THE AGENDA AND WHO IS IN CHARGE? I'm afraid that Judge George Greer is in charge - of everything.

PLEASE HELP FLORIDA... CALL YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN.

HELP US. We feel stranded by tyranny today, but Florida is ripe for change. We will demand it together as Americans.

Thanks, FV

[Future Useless Eater]

With all the knife-twisting around Easter Sunday by the left-leaning Terri-haters club, you all may have missed, as I did, some GREAT posts, and at least one great thread by WL_law, who reaaaaalllllllly seems to understand the 'inner Michael', and what occurred...

For example, excerpts from posts:

...Michael, the sociopath, played along with the game, which kept Terri's parents in a state of non-accusative cognitive dissonance.

Once the game was "won", meaning the lawsuit had borne fruit, THEN Michael -- in his sociopathic victory over the cognitively dissonant parents -- turned the tables, and upped the ante.

Michael raised his bet on himself -- not only could he beat the attempted investigation by bringing Terri's parents close to him, but now he could KEEP the money, get rid of Terri, and cut the parents (and their dream of caring for Terri) loose.

Only a sociopath would take that chance. And only a sociopath could win that bet.   [more]

.....AND ALSO this excerpt....

... Here's what Michael testified: he and Terri were watching a movie, and she said that she wouldn't want to go through what the character in the movie went through.

So it was not a direct assertion of her wishes -- it was an indirect reflection of her state-of-mind based on her experience of watching the movie.

Providing just enough indirection to avoid the heresay objection -- and just enough proof to provide idiot Judge Greer to reach the conclusion he did.

An artful dodge, if I must say so, but not so difficult for a psychopathological husband.   [more]

.....AND ALSO THIS THREAD....

Terri's Parents and the Quandry of "Cognitive Dissonance"

...thanks WL_law!

[STARWISE]

I pinged you all to an earlier post about Dr. Schenck. Here's a stirring talk he gave in 2003, about the inception of his involvement. This man is amazing -- from the website Defend Life

which, though so disturbing in the initial event that called him so totally to this cause in a new and vigorous way, it also contains a thoroughly enjoyable description of the slapdown of the Clinton administration's Solicitor General in front of the Supreme Court.(Jay Sekulow and a team of pro-life attorneys defended Dr. Schenck.)

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Gospel Of Life Is Gospel Of Hope, Says Schenck

When Dr. Paul Schenck talks, pro-lifers should listen.

And listen they did, all 200 of them at the Respect Life Conference sponsored by the Baltimore Archdiocese’s Respect Life Conference November 13.

When Dr. Schenck was a Protestant pastor in western New York, he recalled, a parishioner brought him a bag from an abortion clinic near her house that contained the remains of four unborn children – “eviscerated, decapitated, dismembered.”

Schenck had always believed that abortion was evil, but seeing that “pile of carnage” propelled him into two decades of fervent pro-life activism that continues to this day.

“I said, ‘We’ll bury the babies; we’ll give them a funeral.’”

They held funerals on the front lawn of the church, with Catholic, Protestant and Jewish clergy taking part.

His parishioners wanted to pray in front of the abortion mill, “But they said they wouldn’t go unless I went with them.”

Eventually, not only Pastor Schenck, but about 75 other clergy were volunteering to stand with the pro-lifers outside abortion mills in western New York.

In 1988 a federal judge ordered Reverend Schenck and others to keep 15 feet away from clinic entrances and – something new – to keep 15 feet away from abortion mill employees or abortion clients, wherever they were – what came to be known as the “floating bubble zone.”

Two years later, for handing out Bibles near an abortion mill, Schenck was found guilty of violating the judge’s injunction, fined $300,000 and sentenced to two years in federal prison.

He spent a month in the federal correctional facility in McKean, Pa. (“I was kept busy morning, noon and night, ministering to men in the worst crisis of their lives”) and five months under house arrest.

In the meantime, his case slowly wound its way through the courts on appeal.

In 1996 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear his case.

“We prayed and asked the Lord to confuse the opposition,” said Schenck.

“President Clinton sent Walter Dellinger, his solicitor general, to argue against me. When he got up to argue, he kept calling the justices by the wrong names!”

In frustration, said Schenck, “He slapped himself in the face and asked, ‘How come I keep doing this?’

“We knew why!”

Dellinger finally argued that when a trial judge is faced with pro-lifers who keep violating his injunction at abortion clinics, what is he supposed to do?

Justice Anthony Kennedy replied tartly, “Well, I think he would begin by reading the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.”

The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 that the federal judge’s “floating bubble zone” had violated Reverend Schenck’s constitutional right to free speech.

Today, as executive director of Gospel of Life Ministries, in Washington, D.C., Dr. Schenck is working to combine the pro-life efforts of Catholics and Evangelicals to restore a culture of life to the United States.

He is doing so from the perspective of a convert to Catholicism, having become a Catholic this past Lent, “the most joyous Lent of my life!”

From his offices in Capitol Hill, adjacent to the Supreme Court, Dr. Schenck can look directly into Chief Justice Rehnquist’s library.

“We’ve been able to establish good relationships with many of them; we’ve had prayer with five of the nine justices,” he said.

Schenck believes that the American people have reached a great crisis point – but it is a good crisis.

“People are evaluating the role of faith in their lives,” he said.

He noted that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia once said that religion had become like pornography – something only to be indulged in privately.

“But the election results tell us that moral values were at the top of the list; dedicated Christians who take their faith seriously decided the election.”

There are countless people in our society from whom hope, faith and love have been taken away; “They reach out to embrace, by default, the Culture of Death.

“We need to offer this society hope, because the Gospel of Life is the gospel of hope,” he said.

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This good and godly man has already done and given so much in the cause of life, I have no doubt he will be a very prominent figure on the frontlines for the fight for life against the merciless butchers of the innocent, aged, infirmed and disabled. God Bless Him for his devotion.

Terri, always in our hearts.

[T'wit]

VERY informative.

I believe MS has twice inadvertently admitted -- once in sworn testimony, once on LKL -- that he was killing Terri to spite the Schindlers. I didn't save the references, but assume that they can be located. If anyone has them set aside, please post or let me know.

Of course on a more recent LKL, after the usual lies about Terri wanting to die, he tripped up again and admitted, "We didn't know what Terri wanted, but this is what we want... "

[T'wit]

That never occurred to me. I don't know anything about cocaine or how it mixes with alcohol. But I imagine if MS was already in an ugly mood, it would have been uglier on drugs. He might have just gone home and attacked her physically -- maybe when she was still in bed. No shouting, just choking the life out of her. He's twice her size, she didn't have a chance.

[T'wit]

>> Anyway, I cut up my RNC card and sent it back to them with a nasty note.

Good for you!

[amdgmary]

Laura Ingraham was on Sean Hannity's radio program yesterday. She has a strong faith in God and thanked everyone for their prayers.

Laura posted the following message about breast cancer on her website http://www.lauraingraham.com/

PRAYER REQUEST FOR LAURA: You know I hate Drama Kings or Queens, but I am asking for your prayers today and for the forseeable future. On Friday afternoon, I learned that I have joined the ever-growing group of American women who have been diagnosed with breast cancer. As so many breast cancer patients will tell you, it all came as a total shock.

I am blessed to be surrounded by people who love me--my family, a wonderful fiance (if he thinks he's going to get out of marrying me because of this little blib, he's sadly mistaken!), my friends, and my church. I am absolutely blown away by how helpful and kind everyone has been--including total strangers who have experienced the same rollercoaster of emotions. The sisterhood of breast cancer survivors is inspiring. I am truly blessed. On Tuesday I will have an operation and within a few days will know more about the future. I am hopeful for a bright future and a "normal" life (well, scratch the "normal" part). Anyway, people have gone through much worse, and I know I'll obliterate this.

I am thanking you in advance for your prayers. You are my family. And remember, I'll be back sooner than you think.

[amdgmary]

New reports on Terri Schiavo at The North Country Gazette
www.northcountrygazette.org

THE NEW SLAUGHTER HOUSE RULES
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/042605hen.html

SCHIAVO AUTOPSY WILL NOT CONFIRM DIAGNOSIS
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/042605autopsy.html

[amdgmary]

Diane Coleman, President of Not-Dead-Yet, spoke before the Federal Oversight Committee Hearing on incapacitated persons on April 19, 2005.

Ms. Coleman offered suggestions on what the lawmakers can do to help stop the movement to euthanize people who are vulnerable and cannot speak for themselves.

http://www.notdeadyet.org/docs/ColemanCongTestmy041905.html

EXCERPTS

It wasn't long before the problem of non-voluntary and involuntary withdrawal of food and water also moved onto Not Dead Yet's radar screen. Before Terri Schiavo, there was Robert Wendland in California. Both his wife and mother agreed that Mr. Wendland was not in a persistent vegetative state, and that he had not left clear and convincing evidence of his wishes. Nevertheless, his wife argued that she should be able to remove his tube feeding anyway, and Dr. Ron Cranford was on the scene to support her. A state statute, based on a national model health care decisions code, gave her the right to starve and dehydrate him, and forty-three bioethicists filed a friend of the court brief in agreement. Ten disability rights organizations filed against the general presumption that no one would want to live with his disabilities, being used to justify lowering constitutional protections of his life. Ultimately, the California Supreme Court agreed with us that his life could not be taken without clear and convincing evidence of his wishes.

By the time the Schiavo case reached major national attention in 2003, twenty-six national disability organizations had taken a position that Terri Schiavo should receive food and water, due to the highly conflicting evidence of her wishes and the fact that she had not chosen her own guardian. Attached to my written testimony is a three page statement issued by twenty-three such groups in October 2003, and a more recent article co-authored by Steve Eidelman, head of the Arc of the United States, and Stephen Drake, research analyst for Not Dead Yet. We were deeply disturbed to see court after court uphold questionable lower court rulings. This time, 55 bioethicists supported the removal of food and water. We were also disturbed that the court allowed most of Terri Schiavo's rehabilitation funds to be spent on her husband's lawyers, that she was denied a properly fitted wheelchair, a swallowing test, swallowing therapy, the potential for oral feeding, speech therapy, and the freedom to leave the hospice with her parents, even temporarily. And we were concerned that adult protective services did not intervene, and the state protection and advocacy agency tried but proved powerless. It would appear that the prevalent prejudice that no one would want to live like Terri Schiavo translated into her guardian's unfettered right to treat her at best as a prisoner, at worst as though she was already dead.

Nevertheless, the perspectives of such prominent national groups as The Arc of the United States (formerly the Association for retarded Citizens), the National Spinal Cord Injury Association, the National Council on Independent Living, and many others were consistently ignored by most of the press, as well as the courts.

Unfortunately, the anecdotal evidence suggests that Terri Schiavo's case may be the tip of a very large and almost fully submerged iceberg. I've been a health care advocate for a couple decades, often joining street protests against government health cuts. One mission of the end-of-life care movement is a good one, to educate health care providers about how to provide good palliative care, but another mission is to shape public policy on health care. It appears that a certain line of thought in bioethics has pretty much taken over the policy-making work. This line of thought involves a lifeboat approach, deciding who gets thrown out.

When we analyze, why have the pro-life and religious advocates received such disproportionate attention, we are forced to conclude that disability rights advocates don't fit a script that everyone else seems determined to follow. For the last three decades, certain bioethicists have told the press and the public that euthanasia is about compassionate progressives versus the religious right. Never mind that these bioethicists are actually talking about the legal parameters for statutory guardians and health care providers to medically end the lives of people with disabilities on a discriminatory, non-voluntary or involuntary basis. Never mind that it takes more documentation to dispose of our property than to dispose of our lives. Concerned disability groups don't fit the script and so we have been marginalized or ignored entirely.

To conclude, regardless of our abilities or disabilities, none of us should feel that we have to die to have dignity, that we have to die to be relieved of pain, or that we should die to stop burdening our families or society. Cognitive abilities must not be allowed to determine personhood under the laws of the United States. Reject the script you have been given by the right to die and the right to life movements. Instead, listen to the disability movement. We are your advance guard, in anticipation of the aging of our society, with decades of experience in living with disability. We want to help build a society that respects and welcomes everyone.

[Dante3]

BUMP

[LauraJean]

I was looking on the Internet to find more information on cocaine alcohol interactions. From what I read it does appear to cause quite a few problems as cocaine is a stimulant and alcohol a depressent.
This article is pretty interesting as the victim was attacked by someone high on cocaine and alcohol and seems to have been left in the same medical condition as Terri
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4469299.stm

[MudSlide]

Hey what the H

Over 1,800 posts - let this woman rest - enough all ready.

Turn the page - geeeezzzzzzz - anybody else getting sick of this??

[pc93]

Only you because your in the wrong place.

[EternalVigilance]

[EternalVigilance]

If you don't like it, newbie, move along. Plenty of other topics for you to pick from.

[pc93]

How do you do this? What happens when you decline to state? Is it similar to Independent? I want to change from Dem to similar. Let me know.

[pc93]

Could it be that there is something about insurance companies.. Jergers for instance.. Jergers knew Jodi and also could it be that they knew each other when he worked for Agostino's?

[pc93]

Could it also be that Michael went out with various other women before Jodi to make it not be so obvious that he knew Jodi, etc.?

[piperpilot]

Over 1,800 posts - let this woman rest - enough all ready. Turn the page - geeeezzzzzzz - anybody else getting sick of this??

No, I'm not getting "sick" of it, because what happened to Terri is happening every day in this country to the old and incapacitated, who need our help not to be killed by "loved ones" with ulterior motives or medical professionals more concerned with health care costs than the sanctity of human life. If you don't it, go somewhere else!

[a5478]

"why have the pro-life and religious advocates received such disproportionate attention, we are forced to conclude that disability rights advocates don't fit a script that everyone else seems determined to follow. For the last three decades, certain bioethicists have told the press and the public that euthanasia is about compassionate progressives versus the religious right. "

EXACTLY what I have been writing to every journalist or blogger in the country. It is frightening the backward slide of services provided to those most needy.

[pc93]

He basically said he was going to kill Terri no matter what.. basically that no one was going to stop him.