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Experts: New Pope Unlikely to Be American
ABC News and AP ^ | April 3, 2005 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 04/03/2005 6:56:32 AM PDT by bd476

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Experts: New Pope Unlikely to Be American

Vatican Experts Are Convinced New Pope Chosen by Cardinals Won't Be From United States

Cardinals attend a Mass for the late Pope John Paul II celebrated by the Vatican secretary of State, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, not seen, on the steps of St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican, Sunday April 3, 2005. (AP Photo/Massimo Sambucetti)

By RICHARD N. OSTLING

The Associated PressThe Associated Press

Apr 3, 2005 — When the cardinals enter their secretive conclave to pick the new pope, the 11 Americans voting will be the second-largest national group behind the Italians. But don't expect an American pope Vatican experts are absolutely convinced it won't happen.

"The economic, political and military power of the United States leads to resentments, and that's part of the human dynamic," George Weigel, John Paul II's biographer, said before the pope's death.

An American would be "virtually impossible," he said.

The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus of First Things magazine agreed. An American pontiff "would give not only the appearance but perhaps the substance of increasing what is perceived by many as the inordinate hegemony of American power."

The Rev. Thomas Reese of America magazine noted that in past centuries "the church always tried to keep (the papacy) out of the hands of the superpower" of the day, whether the Holy Roman Empire, Spain or France. The exception, the 14th century French popes who moved the Holy See to Avignon, proved disastrous.

There are other factors that make Americans unattractive papal candidates.

Popes need to be the masters of many languages but most Americans are fluent only in English, Reese said.

The country's clerical sex abuse scandal also hasn't helped America's reputation within the church and in Rome, and the U.S. church already had a reputation for being troublesome.

Observers also predict the American cardinals won't form any united bloc to work effectively for a particular policy, candidate or region such as neighboring Latin America.

The U.S. cardinals "are not as united as they were 10 or even five years ago," Neuhaus said, and lack the "common mind and approach that has characterized the American cardinals at some points in the past."

They range from staunch conservatives like Francis George of Chicago and James Stafford, head of a Vatican tribunal, to Los Angeles' Roger Mahony and Washington's Theodore McCarrick, regarded as rather more flexible and pragmatic.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: captainobvious; holyfather; pontiff; pope; popejohnpaulii; shocking; vatican
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To: bd476
The Rev. Thomas Reese of America magazine noted that in past centuries "the church always tried to keep (the papacy) out of the hands of the superpower" of the day .....

Yep. They were talking about this on FOX News yesterday.

Looks like the next Pope may be Italian again maybe??

I think I heard that PJP II was the first non-Italian Pope in ~500 years?


22 posted on 04/03/2005 7:22:35 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Here is Rome's chance to unite Christianity, elect a Lutheran as Pope!


23 posted on 04/03/2005 7:22:54 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (BBTD is back after 5 mos absence.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

*Sputter*. . .you owe me a new keyboard. Coffee all over the thing.

;-)


24 posted on 04/03/2005 7:26:30 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: bd476
Popes need to be the masters of many languages but most Americans are fluent only in English, Reese said.

Apparently, they don't teach logic in the Jesuit seminaries these days. Or in the journalism schools.

How does the fact that "most Americans are fluent only in English" have any bearing on any one particular individual who would be a candidate to the papacy?

There are many reasons why an American pope is extremely unlikely, but the above is not one of them.

25 posted on 04/03/2005 7:27:09 AM PDT by B Knotts (Iohannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
How about the Archbishop of Constantinople??


26 posted on 04/03/2005 7:30:34 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: bd476
There is a big chance that the next Pope will be from America, but rather from Central/Southern America than from USA.
27 posted on 04/03/2005 7:31:02 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: bd476

Most of the American Cardinals and Many bishops should be in Prison, never mind being Pope.


30 posted on 04/03/2005 7:32:32 AM PDT by chatham
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To: MeekOneGOP
"I think I heard that PJP II was the first non-Italian Pope in ~500 years?"

Yes, 450 or 455 years.

"Looks like the next Pope may be Italian again maybe??"

I don't think so. In my opinion the next one will be from South America or Africa or... maybe from China - a few months ago Pope appointed some "secret Cardinal" - I read that he may be Chinese.
31 posted on 04/03/2005 7:35:46 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Bringbackthedraft
And, if the Cardinals really want to get creative, there's always this guy:


33 posted on 04/03/2005 7:37:42 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: jocon307

"...regarded as rather more flexible and pragmatic."

"Progressive" is out of style right now.


34 posted on 04/03/2005 7:41:31 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Grzegorz 246
It will be interesting to find out.

They are on a strict schedule to pick a replacement, too, I believe.

I think I heard FOX News say something like 2 weeks, or 15 days or thereabouts? Not sure.


35 posted on 04/03/2005 7:42:24 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: bd476
In early sixties (when I was a child in Poland) the prophecy was circulating (in form of a circular letter) among neighbours and all around the country. It stuck im memory because it was unusual.

"There will be two popes before the end of the world - the first will be Polish the next and the last will be Negro [black]."

36 posted on 04/03/2005 7:43:00 AM PDT by A. Pole (Sun Tzu: ""Foreknowledge [...]cannot be found out by calculation. It must be obtained from people.")
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To: Izzy Dunne
Thats only six out of ten.

the other four thing it will be Osama Obama, after all in Illinois he is considered the second coming.

37 posted on 04/03/2005 7:43:24 AM PDT by dts32041 (We have instituted our own set of Nuremberg laws.)
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To: bd476

Duh.


38 posted on 04/03/2005 7:44:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do not fear the words of a sinner, for his splendor will turn into dung and worms.)
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To: bd476

I wonder if the Democrats, out of force of habit, will try to filibuster the nomination.


39 posted on 04/03/2005 7:45:04 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: bd476
Don't pick me. I'd put a Hemi in the popemobile and some sponsor decals on the side.

That just wouldn't be right.

40 posted on 04/03/2005 7:46:33 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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