[Once-Ler]

Are you contending that the Minutemen are Klansmen? If so, on what basis?

Absolutely. Based on posts at Stormfront

[ovrtaxt]

Oh, please, stop with the Stormfront!

I could probably find some questionable racist hate group that shares your views on the issue too.

Like, say oh, LA RAZA?

So take your weak arguments and spare us all.

[politicalwit]

"Based on posts at Stormfront"

Based on your posts on "FreeRepublic" can we assume you're a "liberal?"

[HighFlier]

Once-Ler,

I read most of your profile. You have put a good deal of thought into the immigration issue. You are also exactly the kind of person I who’s opinion I hope to sway.

First, I ask that you not let your opinion be skewed based on what may have happened to your grandfather years ago. The situation today is radically different. As I took the time to read your profile, please take the time to read this article (link below). The second link is to FR comments on the article.

Whenever people foreign or domestic threaten American citizens, our government should protect those citizens. We also have a duty to protect our fellow citizens as well. Just because you and I do not live on the border, our feelings for the plight of those Americans that do should not be diminished.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=oid:66509

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1359993/posts


After taking in that article I would like you to consider these thoughts from a past post of mine about why I am from getting a handle on our immigration problems:

1. National Sovereignty - a nation is not or will not continue to be a nation if it cannot reasonable control its borders.

2. Security - if our government does not control who comes in and out of our country are we secure? Example - can any politician offer any reasonable assurance that what happened at the school in Chechnya with the terrorists will not happen here?

3. Overcrowding. This isn't 1900 anymore. I live in the DC area where almost a third of the population is foreign born. In spite of numerous new road systems (even a private toll road) the commutes continue to get longer and longer. The same problem is occurring all over America.

Recently I read in the USA today where the wait in traffic is up almost 200% nationwide. It is clear that the numbers added are by legal and illegal immigration. Domestic population growth is near zero. Standards of living may be rising, but quality of life is declining.

4.Crime. Almost one third of our federal prisoners are foreigners. Our government is simply not protecting its citizens. The crime rate by foreigners relative to their numbers is inexcusable. There should be a better screening process as to who is allow to enter and stay, but the government doesn't even know who or how many are entering.

5. Expense. I believe the Economist magazine had an article that stated the value for someone to just set foot in the US was almost $400,000. By just arriving here and tapping into the infrastructure (roads, sewage, sanitation, schools, parks, hospitals) and welfare system, someone who was in penury in their former country has attained wealth. Take the school system for one.

There is almost no native population growth, therefore most of the new schools built are to support the children of new arrivals. Think of the expense of acquiring the land, building the school, furnishing the school, supplying student materials, staffing the school, and providing buses for transportation. These are huge costs thrust on the taxpayers.

6. There are other points, but I will end with loyalty. I am skeptical of the loyalty of many of the new arrivals. Why? Look at what happens to our national soccer team when they play a team from Central America - the Central American team is not just cheered by the crowd (that would be reasonable), our team is booed and has trash thrown at them. If someone does not wonder how loyal many of these people really are, they are probably lacking an inquisitive mind.

My daughter told me about a girl with an Indian (India) background who is American and attends her school. First of all, the girl wouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. Second, she mentioned that her aunt was in town. When asked, "Why?" She replied that ALL of her relatives come to the US when they are expecting a child.

Admittedly there may be many citizens' who’s appreciation for our country might be lacking. But how could those allowed to become citizens – those who asked for the privilege - behave in this manner? US citizenship used to be a cherished possession for the freedom it represents.

I believe the US is looked at by too many people of the world today as a place that can be taken advantage of. They are probably right, but I intend to do my part to see that change. Our government should be concerned with the people that are its citizens first. When do you think the flood should be stopped 400 million, 500 million, a billion? 300 million is probably enough.

[Modok]

When the klan is out, the ones who work with them behind the scenes are also out to oppose them vociferously. Those people are the communists. It is like a game drive in a big game hunt. The beaters on each side push the game (new members) into each others arms. The klan and the revolutionary communists such as the RCYB fit together like glove to hand or hammer to anvil.

This is about property rights. The people who live along the border are asserting their property rights to prevent trespassing. They can say who comes on their property or not.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Looks like the Minuteman Project has had some success in screening out racist participants.

Link Post 54

"..Yep, I was washed out because of my affiliations with a hate group. I now have to wonder if my emails to them are on file with the FBI. The leadership are conservative ditto heads to be sure. They are trying to create a non-racist image. That image is only in their own minds as Simcox is routinely mentioned right alongside Ranch Rescue and American Border Patrol as racist vigilantes by the press..."

Link Post 148

"..from my first communique with them and it was alright as long as I was with their program. A month ago they started to get worried the PC crowd would think they were racists so they disinvited me and others in a vain effort to placate the PC forces..."

[Boot Hill]

"Q: Are you contending that the Minutemen are Klansmen? If so, on what basis?   A: Absolutely. Based on posts at Stormfront" --Once-Ler

"As I said The MMP did the right thing today by feeding and giving water to the illegal and if it lasts all month I will comeback for a slice of humble pie." --Once-Ler

LOL! And to think that I actually let you sucker me with your wait-and-see, "humble pie" ruse! But here you are spouting more of your vile and contemptable lies that the Minutemen are klansman, denigrating better men than you could ever hope to be.

--Boot Hill

[Anti-Bubba182]

Found another example at SF. This didn't say he was kicked out, but apparently isn't going over a policy dispute with MMP.

311inAZ writes:

Link Post 42

"..I have been actively patrolling the border area since the early 80's and I can tell you its not safe there unarmed. There are a lot of unmarked and unknown graves in that area containing both Americans and Mexicans. The MMP volunteer will probably be safe in numbers and with the number of law enforcement and media that will be in the same area. I just will not participate out of a matter of principle regarding their weapon policy even though I intended to only participate with a sidearm if not needed for countersniper security. No organizer of the MMP from Cali is gonna tell me what I can and cannot carry in self-defense in my own backyard!.."

311, btw is the racist symbol for KKK. The eleventh letter of the alphabet is the letter "K"; thus 3 times 11 equals "KKK," or Ku Klux Klan.

311inAZ continues...

Link Post 50

"..Both organizers of the MMP, Gilchrist and Simcox, have contracted with private security for their personal safety in wake of threats from the hispanic drug gang MS-13. Maybe now they will rescind their weapon policy. If they do not, I will hold them personally responsible for any armed attacks against the rank and file volunteers..."

and yes he is in the KKK, or at least claims to be.

Link Post 10

"..So far its 33 to 1 as not being Klan and the 1 vote came from me. Certainly there must be many more Klansmen and Klanswomen who use this fine forum from time to time..."