France/Germany=Old Europe
New York Times=Old Media
Posted on 04/02/2005 4:39:18 PM PST by BCrago66
Pope John Paul II died this afternoon. The New York Times reports on his papacy in an article that inadvertently tells us more than the Times really wanted us to know. The Times had its criticisms of John Paul's papacy ready to go, but apparently went looking for something good to say about the Pope at the last minute:
Even as his own voice faded away, his views on the sanctity of all human life echoed unambiguously among Catholics and Christian evangelicals in the United States on issues from abortion to the end of life.
need some quote from supporter
John Paul II's admirers were as passionate as his detractors, for whom his long illness served as a symbol for what they said was a decrepit, tradition-bound papacy in need of rejuvenation and a bolder connection with modern life.
"The situation in the Catholic church is serious," Hans Kung, the eminent Swiss theologian, who was barred by from teaching in Catholic schools because of his liberal views, wrote last week. "The pope is gravely ill and deserves every compassion. But the Church has to live. ...
In my opinion, he is not the greatest pope but the most contradictory of the 20th century. A pope of many, great gifts, and of many bad decisions!"
Among liberal Catholics, he was criticized for his strong opposition to abortion, homosexuality and contraception, as well as the ordination of women and married men. Though he was never known as a strong administrator of the dense Vatican bureaucracy, he kept a centralizing hand on the selection of bishops around the world and enforced a rigid adherence to many basic church teachings among the clergy and Catholic theologians.
There you have it. The Times' criticisms are ready to go, a few good words for the Pope are an afterthought.
UPDATE: I got a screen grab of the second page of the Times article, just before they changed it to delete the "need some quote from supporter:"
You've got that right. And Red Ted Kennedy is one of their cardinals.
>>"Liberal Catholics." Isn't that the mob who believes that the Ten Commandments are really only the Ten Suggestions?<<
Oh geez, I just love this!
May I quote you?
May I quote you to my Flaming Lib/Former Cleveland teacher/lesbian/sister who is self proclaimed "So Marian"?
Send it to Drudge. See if he'll post it.
Mort can be fairly reasonable on econimics and foriegn policy. Once we enter the topic of social conservatism and Faith in general, time to turn the channel.
I'm not surprised by the NYT's, I am pleased they got caught.
Well done!
LOL!!!
Well apparently they failed to check out St. Patrick's Cathedral, full of people praying for the Pope, for his recovery and later for the repose of his soul. Fox and CNN both had snippets of conversations with people full of kind things to say. (Hear that, NY times? Get out from under your rock.)
Hee, please put the word "some" in there when speaking of us Protestants. We aren't all moving with the "culture" here. No more than the whole Catholic church is moving with the liberals within it.
Conservative yes.
My criticism of him is that he did not support us in Iraq.Big mistake, although I take into account his age. How come its ok to war against the commies and the Nazis but not Sadaam. He missed it big time on this.
This is hilarious!
"Among liberal Catholics, he was criticized for his strong opposition to abortion, homosexuality and contraception..."
I was just showing what kind of picture they were trying to paint of the Pope. So, if you want the entire thread banned, that might make more sense. But I thought the purpose of this thread was to expose the NYT's media bias.
They are a pile of human excrement, degenerates of the worst kind. They do not deserve to have such a powerful platform from which to spew their marxist ideas....
Hopefully sooner, rather than later, people will cease to pay attention to them.
Wish I had seen that.
Darn it! I tried to make clear that I was not refering to those that were not succumbing to "current trends". I'm sorry that I wasn't more clear.
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Good news - this is the press squandering any "points" they may have made during the Terri Schiavo coverage.
see post 58
see post 58
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