Professor's sudden dismissal stuns students(Aryan Race Nation)

equinoxnews ^ | 04/01/05 | Tiffanie Johnson and Roberto Chavez

[nathanbedford]

Yes, if he advocated the extermination of tens of millions of farmers, or something like that. But he didn't, and that isn't the issue at hand. History professors are employed to teach objective history--not Nazi revisionism.

From all accounts, that is exactly what he did, teach objective history and not Nazi revisionism. It is for his status as a Nazi and not for advocating the extermination of tens of millions that he is being terminated. But the problem is that the BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM tells us that the Marxists killed tens of millions too, indeed many more tens of millions than did the Nazis. But no one believes that an assistant professor would be terminated for his statusas a Marxist even though their hands are bloodier.

It is just a fact at Farleigh Dickinson that some animals are more equal than others.

[SampleMan]

My thoughts exactly.

[rbg81]

Its just as bad. Both should have been removed.

[7.62 x 51mm]

""He was my favorite professor," said one student. "I can't believe it is the same man.""

Liberal puke.

[Rembrandt_fan]

We are talking about THE Nathan Bedford Forrest, right? The man who ordered the slaughter of unarmed Union prisoners of war at Fort Pillow, and (as LauraLee pointed out), founder of the KKK? You and historian Shelby Foote have a great deal in common, celebrating murderous war criminals and cloaking it with that gauzy nostalgia some drape over the Confederacy. No one doubts Forrest's genius in mobile warfare, but to use him as some sort of icon of free speech is laughable. And while it's true that Marxists and anarchists seem to get a free pass in higher learning, that doesn't mean we as conservatives should accept outright Hitler-worshipping Nazis as a kind of quid pro quo on college campuses.

[familyop]

You're advocating against dismissal of an avowed Nazi from his job as a university professor. You're trying to distract from that by arguing that he would not have been fired if he were a Marxist.

It's common knowledge that we (conservatives) who are not Nazis don't want either Nazis or Marxists as university professors. Both are socialists, although the desire among Nazis for genocide is more obvious.

It's very common for Nazis to try to change the topic from criticism against Nazism to a discussion of Marxism. By the post above, this is not a discussion of Marxism.

You're using the name of the Pillow Fort Butcher for your Free Republic account. Nathan Bedford Forest's approximately 2500 cavalry slaughtered those who were left of the little more than 550 men (262 black) he attacked after they tried to surrender. Then Nathan Bedford Forest said, "The river was dyed with the blood of the slaughtered for 200 yards. It is hoped that these facts will demonstrate to the northern people that negro soldiers cannot cope with Southerners."

He was also a slave dealer and owner before the War, who founded the Ku Klux Klan after his kind were all beaten in the War.

[familyop]

"So, no, I am not a member of the Klan. But if I were, would you have me stripped of my franchise or only of the right to speak out on FreeRepublic?"

We've heard that argument many times before.

You don't have "the right to speak out on" Free Republic. It's a privilege granted by the owner of the site. The site owner can regulate speech in his publication as he wants to, and that is his First Amendment right. He also has the freedom to associate with whom he wants.

[Bonaparte]

"He should have spoken out against America and George Bush. He would have been granted tenure."

You can openly embrace a mass-murdering cread like communism and you'll do just fine in academia. You can broadcast all the feminazi "hate speech" you want about men and the university will reward you for it. You can demean and insult white students in required "ethnic sensitivity" indoctrination classes and you'll steadily advance through the ranks. You can be a convicted murderer, bashing America from death row, and the university will welcome you as its commencement speaker.

But if you privately espouse fascism and white supremacy, you'll be out on your ear.

[Bonaparte]

"...although the desire among Nazis for genocide is more obvious."

Is it? The communists themselves admit they murdered roughly 100 million innocent people during the 20th century. How many innocent civilians have been murdered by fascists in that century?

[jude24]

Only a damned racist would style himself after the KKK's founder.

We don't want their kind here.

[A Jovial Cad]

nathanbedford: Even a Klan member has a right to his point

nathanbedford: So, no, I am not a member of the Klan. But if I were, would you have me stripped of my franchise or only of the right to speak out on FreeRepublic?

nathanbedford: From all accounts, that is exactly what he did, teach objective history and not Nazi revisionism. It is for his status as a Nazi and not for advocating the extermination of tens of millions that he is being terminated

As a longtime observer and occasional veteran of the Civil War threads around here, these feeble observations do not surprise me in the least.

Kinda says it all, in fact...

[A Jovial Cad]

You can openly embrace a mass-murdering cread like communism and you'll do just fine in academia. You can broadcast all the feminazi "hate speech" you want about men and the university will reward you for it. You can demean and insult white students in required "ethnic sensitivity" indoctrination classes and you'll steadily advance through the ranks. You can be a convicted murderer, bashing America from death row, and the university will welcome you as its commencement speaker

True.

But if you privately espouse fascism and white supremacy, you'll be out on your ear

And I'm all for it: such Volks folks have zero sympathy from me when they're rightly cashiered from the teaching business in public, taxpayer-supported institutions. Or private ones, for that matter. Scummy neo-Nazis--or even the old-fashioned type--have no place in any classroom dedicated to molding young minds, period.

A healthy disdain & disgust for both totalitarian ideologies is the appropriate stance. But your "on the other hand" pleadings lead me to believe that the sensible stance is not exactly what you had in mind...what say you?

[familyop]

"Is it?"

Yes, it is. Contemporary Nazis speak their intent against groups they hate and try to change the topic to Marxism.

[familyop]

"But if you privately espouse fascism and white supremacy, you'll be out on your ear."

Oh, waaaaaaaa! Nazi victimology is such a tearjerker.

Our lack of completion in the task of getting the commie instructors out of universities is no excuse for keeping the Nazis in. All socialists must go away from teaching positions--not only the communists. If you want to start Goebbels university, you go right ahead. We're all aware that many of the Democrats (given their Middle East policy of chickenhood and propagandizing for terrorists) will be more than happy to help you.

[A Jovial Cad]

Our lack of completion in the task of getting the commie instructors out of universities is no excuse for keeping the Nazis in

Exactly right--one has nothing to do with the other, save in the abstract. Well-said, family; you summed it up better than I ever could.

Bonaparte, this is some basic logic you could ought to brush up on: Who says A must say B. The converse of the equation, as in first year algebra, holds true: Who subtracts A, must subtract B.

It's always wery, wery curious to me (to paraphrase both Bugs Bunny & Stephen King) in such discussions: those whom rightly rage against the communists (whom I despise), while pulling their tender punches against communism's twin sisters the Nazis, and their attendant and amply documented horrors.

Curious, indeed, to the point of cynicism...

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

[ran15]

If instead of Jews, he said Christians.. and instead of blacks he said whites.. this man would be in line for a promotion, and a tenured life of luxury.

[Bonaparte]

Thankyou for the simplistic lesson in rudimentary logic.

If you can find where I said nazism was ok, I'll be happy to recant. But I doubt you can do that. It's undeniable that academia has long been sympathetic to communism in all its brutality, while hypocritically clucking its tongue at fascism. Clearly, the academy is not opposed to genocide and slavery per se, only to the wrong flavor of genocide and slavery.

[truth_seeker]

"Why did you name yourself after the founder of the KKK?"

From another site, with Nathan Bedford's biography:

"Wiped out financially by the war, he resumed planting and became the president of the Selma, Marion & Memphis Railroad, which he helped to promote. Joining the Ku Klux Klan shortly after the war, he was apparently one of its early leaders."

http://www.civilwarhome.com/natbio.htm

[Bonaparte]

"Our lack of completion in the task of getting the commie instructors out of universities is no excuse for keeping the Nazis in. All socialists must go away from teaching positions--not only the communists. If you want to start Goebbels university, you go right ahead. We're all aware that many of the Democrats (given their Middle East policy of chickenhood and propagandizing for terrorists) will be more than happy to help you."

Here we are in fundamental disagreement. Privately held views do not disqualify a man for employment in a public institution. If he conducts himself competently and professionally and does not force his personal views on his students, I see no justification for excluding him. From the accounts given in the article, Pluss refrained from propagandizing his students in nazism and was considered a fine instructor. I would extend this same consideration to those with privately held views that are communist.

As much as I may despise both communism and fascism, I don't believe in dismissing a man without good cause.

You may now return to calling me a nazi.