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Schiavo circus hurt the GOP [Anybody got another opinion?]
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | April 1, 2005 | by Ruben Navarrette Jr.

Posted on 04/01/2005 7:34:43 AM PST by johnny7

San Diego -- NOW THAT Terri Schiavo has died, many of the questions the country has been wrestling with are moot.

It no longer matters which doctor had the right diagnosis, or whether Schiavo's husband or parents had her best interests at heart, or whether the federal government should have been involved, or whether this was a case that was best handled by doctors and family members as opposed to politicians and judges.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allterriallthetime; anotherterrithread; enoughalready; giveitarest; liarslie; princeoflies; schiavorepublic; shesdeadjim; terripalooza
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To: johnny7

By the time 2006 elections roll around, here's my prediction for how it affects the GOP. It will divide voters into the following groups:

1. Terri who?
2. The GOP should've done more for Terri, but I'm not so insane I'd ever vote for a Democrat! I'm voting for the R
3. It was wrong for the GOP to be involved, but politics always involves some pandering. Besides, I'd never vote for a Democrat! I'm voting for the R
4. Republicans are religious fascists, but I've always known that. I've never voted for a Republican anyway and I'm not about to start now. I'm voting for the D
5. I will never forgive the GOP for not saving Terri. No way I'd vote for an evil Democrat though. I'll sit this one out. I'm not voting.

The only difference from any other election is what impact the people in group #5 might have. Today, in the heat of the moment, I'd say they represent less than 1% of the usual Republican base. By 2006, it will be less than 1%. In other words, at the end of the day I don't think it affects the GOP at all.


121 posted on 04/01/2005 9:01:28 AM PST by lonevoice (Vast Right Wing Pajama Party)
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To: johnny7

It hurt the liberals more because we see how quiet they were as the state sponsored murder of an American citizen.

Where were the dems? Very, very quiet.

I have seen what is planned for us and I intend to fight it.

I sure will not give power to the dems to further this agenda.


122 posted on 04/01/2005 9:02:13 AM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: antiRepublicrat
For criminal cases. This wansn't one.

That's completely wrong. In fact, the 14th amendment - WHICH WAS RATIFIED BY THE STATES - requires due process in ANY government action, not just criminal cases. I can appreciate your passion on this, but you're completely wrong in these statements.

123 posted on 04/01/2005 9:03:04 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: ContraryMary
Much as I've supported Tom in the past, he has a tendency to go overboard

And Delay was out there front and center. The endless loops of film clips of the whackos at Pinellas Park beating drums and singing hymns hurt us. In fact, there are still there this morning. We need to distance ourself from them.

124 posted on 04/01/2005 9:04:29 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: antiRepublicrat
This case went all the way through the Florida court system several times. It was given a quite unprecedented level of review even before it hit the federal courts.

No it wasn't. It was never given a de novo review, which means a full review of both the facts and the laws that were applied. Again, you have your facts wrong.

125 posted on 04/01/2005 9:04:30 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: jwalsh07
Rather than see a therapist, I think we will vote for different candidates in the next round of elections. YIf you want to insult the people you need to convince to vote for your candidates, that's not the way to do it. You can take what you consider to be the moral high ground, but don't forget that Greer, a Republican (to some a RINO, but not to all) was re-elected on the Schaivo case by 65% of the county vote even with his opponent outspending him 421 to 1.

The government set up the court system to operate impartially. The government can change the laws the courts rule upon, but they have no business trying to legislate the specific outcome in a specific case involving a specific individual. Otherwise, why have courts? We can just let politicians decide court cases for us. If this is the direction the Republican party wants to take, they will lose elections. The moderate middle, whose voices have been outshouted and demonized, even here on FR, will be voting their thoughts in the next election. Would you rather have a split GOP that allows the democrats and the likes of Hillary getting into power?

126 posted on 04/01/2005 9:04:46 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: youngtory

"This case what ever side you're on might have hurt Jeb Bush but not exactly the GOP itself,at least I don't think so."

Frankly, I don't have alot of faith in either of them anymore. And I won't be supporting any more BUSHes either.


127 posted on 04/01/2005 9:05:13 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: antiRepublicrat
My side was on keeping her from dehydrating. My side was also on not destroying our republic to do it.

Your lot seems to be cast with the culture of death. I say this republic will only thrive if we all seek to promote life.

128 posted on 04/01/2005 9:05:31 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Just mythoughts

When the laws have been infiltrated and changed to allow murder of citizens, and then the courts, of course, uphold the law, we are supposed to honor such laws?

No, the courts upheld the law this time but they ignored what was happening by the Florida legislature turning over its power to make laws to the end-of-life panel to make the laws they chose. The entire legislature should be turned out.

They are not doing their jobs, and, in fact, they have distorted the law to now enable the state to kill the citizens they determine are unworthy to live.

This will affect every single family in Florida and maybe it is going on in other states.

The law must be changed to again uphold the constitution which supports life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It does not right now and therefore we are in big trouble.


129 posted on 04/01/2005 9:07:07 AM PST by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: BunnySlippers
The endless loops of film clips of the whackos at Pinellas Park beating drums and singing hymns hurt us. In fact, there are still there this morning. We need to distance ourself from them.

Yes, now that your side as offed an innocent woman, you need to cover up the hit and go on your merry ways. How can you sleep knowing that that woman was murdered?

130 posted on 04/01/2005 9:08:01 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thank you for your comments. Too many people here have the "ends justify the means" mentality that has made the democrats what they are. If we continue in that direction, then we would be no differnt than them. People here need to realize that.We are a nation of laws. The laws permitted what happened to Terri. The laws need to be modified, under the provisions of the state and/or federal constitutions. Under Florida law, essentially the spouse, whether a saint or demon, speaks for someone in Terri's condition. That would have to be ammended, changed or deleted from the law for there to be any different outcome.


131 posted on 04/01/2005 9:10:28 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: calex59

Well stated!

Governor Bush led the passing of a law which the FSC ruled unconstitutional. That's what frustrates me. People shout "pass a law" - a law is passed and struck down. The Judiciary Branch has usurped too much power - there is an imbalance that must be rectified. Blood is dripping from their arrogant hands.


132 posted on 04/01/2005 9:12:38 AM PST by auboy (The Grim Reaper wears a black robe.)
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To: lonevoice
Don't bet on the percentages of the disaffected being as low as you think. Remember the 2000 election, where 3-4 million evangelicals sat out the election, not because of dislike of George W. Bush, but in reaction to the failure of the Gingrich "revolution" of 1994 to accomplish much in the way of their social agenda and disdain for the lukewarm attitude of Bob Dole and George H.W. Bush on pro-life issues. The conservative evangelicals have long memories, as per their unfairly projecting their disappointment over 1990s Republicans on the younger Bush. Yes, they may be "cutting off their nose to spite their face," but it may happen. This is a particularly dangerous possibility, as it appears Terri Schiavo will be treated as a martyr.
133 posted on 04/01/2005 9:13:18 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ClintonBeGone
Your lot seems to be cast with the culture of death.

Nope, it's cast with the culture of constitution, law and conservatism.

134 posted on 04/01/2005 9:15:04 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ClintonBeGone

Change the law then. But Terri's wishes were honored.


135 posted on 04/01/2005 9:17:21 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: ClintonBeGone
How can you be 'hurt' advocating for life?



Your absolutely right in your assessment.

The ones advocating life, (Bush and most of GOP) do not have to look over their shoulders wondering if they took the right course of action.

I keep telling anyone who will listen that this is a positive for pro life views in the long run.

Just as during the election, the death cult places way to much into opinion polls.
136 posted on 04/01/2005 9:19:24 AM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: ClintonBeGone
It was never given a de novo review, which means a full review of both the facts and the laws that were applied.

It was never required to get a de novo review while in the state courts. It was supposed to get a de novo review of allegations of rights violations in federal court. The federal court reviewed de novo those allegations submitted to it and dismissed them.

Again, the federal court was never told to review the entire case from the beginning. Nor is such a review required by any law.

137 posted on 04/01/2005 9:19:27 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: ClintonBeGone
In fact, the 14th amendment - WHICH WAS RATIFIED BY THE STATES - requires due process in ANY government action, not just criminal cases

Due process was followed. In fact, this case recieved an unprecedented level of due process. No amendment was violated in this case.

138 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:17 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: johnny7

Of course it did, at least in the short term.

The Feds had NO business trying to interfere. Maybe someone in charge should actually READ the US Constitution.


139 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:33 AM PST by The Shootist
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To: johnny7

Excuse me .. THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID THE PRESIDENT WAS CRAZY AND GOING TO IRAQ WAS STUPID.

They were WRONG THEN and they are WRONG NOW!!

And .. THEY HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!!


140 posted on 04/01/2005 9:36:04 AM PST by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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