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Ukraine minister 'killed himself' (shot himself in the head twice)
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| March 31, 2005
Posted on 04/01/2005 7:19:53 AM PST by chemical_boy
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To: chemical_boy
In all seriousness, multiple gunshot suicides while rare are not unheard of in the annals of forensic pathology.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:38:51 AM PST
by
Drew68
To: chemical_boy
Kravchenko left a suicide note blaming former President Leonid Kuchma for Gongadze's death, Ukraine's investigators say.
Was the suicide torn into 23 peices?
Was the suicide note found in an otherwise empty briefcase a day after the case was inspected by an investigator and at that time found to be empty?
Did the suicide note not have any fingerpints on it?
Was the suicide written by hand in a manner that would lead a worldwide recognized expert testify that "not only was it a forgery, but a bad one at that"?
Was the scraps of the note missing a piece that when reconstructed would be where a signature would normally be found? ie more difficulty to forge.
Did the supposed author of the note somehow manage to pull the trigger a second time after shooting himself in the head?
Did the supposed author of the note have a coworker and supposed friend show up the night of the death to his home and visit his wife? And at the same time present the gun used which was later proven to be a lie?
I could go on with twice this much, but if you've hung around here for a while, you get the point.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:41:26 AM PST
by
tang-soo
(Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
To: yellowhammer
Actually I read another article that explained it better. The first shot was under the chin shooting upward. It broke his jaw and exited out under his nose making a bloody mess, leaving him highly messed up but still very much alive. It took another shot to finish it.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:42:05 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: chemical_boy
Should've jumped from the roof of a 10 story building. That pretty much eliminates the possibility of having to do it over.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:42:54 AM PST
by
reagan_fanatic
("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
To: FreedomCalls
Do you have a link for the better article?
To: chemical_boy
Shot himself twice huh? That's got to be some kind of record outside of Arkansas.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:48:34 AM PST
by
b4its2late
(When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.)
To: Brilliant
Naaa, Nicky last week Nicky too two behind the ear, he didn't say nutin.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:49:57 AM PST
by
Graycliff
("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
To: Drew68
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:50:50 AM PST
by
Graycliff
("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
To: chemical_boy
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:53:38 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: chemical_boy
"Ukraine minister 'killed himself' (shot himself in the head twice)"
Well, Meriweather Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) committed sucide down on the Natchez Trace by shooting himself in the head twice. He did so with just one muzzleloading flintlock pistol, and he had to reload to get the job done right on the second try.
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:56:58 AM PST
by
Ursus arctos horribilis
("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
To: FreedomCalls
Never mind I found the interfax Article, stupid BBC
To: chemical_boy
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posted on
04/01/2005 7:58:30 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: FreedomCalls
I wondered about that. I remember years ago Johnny Carson had a woman on who, in an attempted suicide, had shot herself in the head
TWICE! She said both times the bullet grazed her skull and veered off and that her husband, awakened by the gun shots stopped her from taking the third shot. (
she was either pretty darned hardheaded or just a really, really bad shot)
The way this version was worded reminded me of a TV news reporter who (while trying to gain access to my yard so he could film the "happenings" next door) advised me that he and the police were there because "there is a body cemented into the foundation of the house next door" to mine.
"Really?" says I.
"Oh yeah!" says he "The police aren't sure yet if it is a murder or a suicide!" he added knowingly.
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posted on
04/01/2005 8:00:37 AM PST
by
Zacs Mom
(Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
To: chemical_boy
Here's the details:
Two bullet wounds were found on the body of Yurij Kravchenko. First one: entrance into the chin region, output - mouth-nose. Second one: entrance - right temple, output - parietal-cervical part according to a well-informed source in law enforcement. According to unconfirmed data a CZ brand pistol was found near the body of the ex-minister. According to another source, it was a "Beretta".
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posted on
04/01/2005 8:03:03 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: donozark
"Maybe he used the ubiquitous, yet underpowered Makarov pistol? Perhaps he should have used Corbon ammo rather than FMJ?"
Makarovs aren't underpowered with proper shot placement, and with a suicide proper shot placement shouldn't be a problem.
If the normally free-floating firing pin on a Makarov wasn't floating freely due to improper maintence, it's possible that the gun would slam fire after the first shot and empty it's magazine in full auto fashion.
In that case it's possible that only the first two rounds made contact before the recoil caused the remaining rounds to miss.
We don't know what the weapon was, but it it was a full auto or burst fire weapon, then multiple head shots make more sense.
To: Zacs Mom
Was he Deputy Barney Fife by any chance?
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posted on
04/01/2005 8:05:10 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: untrained skeptic
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posted on
04/01/2005 8:07:03 AM PST
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: chemical_boy
Did he take the time to wipe the fingerprints off the gun after the second shot? After the standard of tidiness established by Vince Foster, one would expect no less.
To: chemical_boy
To: donozark
My son bought me a Makarov before he left for active duty. Underpowered??? So if someone breaks into the house, how close do I need to be before I pull the trigger?
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