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Terri Schiavo - A moral conundrum for you. [Vanity]
Neutrino | 03/31/2005 | Neutrino

Posted on 03/31/2005 5:37:12 PM PST by neutrino

The courts ordered all water and nourishment to be withheld from Terri Schiavo. This was more that removal of the feeding tube - no one was permitted to give her a drink of water or a crumb of bread.

As we know, she survived for 13 days. Presumably, it was known that she was in pain, since she was given morphine.

The question is coming. First, a small disclaimer - I don't think Terri Schiavo should have been killed.

Question: since the court's order was, in essence, an order to kill her, would it not have been kinder to have ordered her execution by lethal injection, hanging, or in the electric chair? She would have had a quick death instead of a slow death by dehydration and starvation.

Bonus question: Is being disabled now a capital crime?


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To: neutrino
Question: since the court's order was, in essence, an order to kill her, would it not have been kinder to have ordered her execution by lethal injection, hanging, or in the electric chair? She would have had a quick death instead of a slow death by dehydration and starvation.

Oddly enough, I addressed this very question in October of 2003.

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And today, I have my answer: The Kakistocracy has indeed prevailed.

Best regards,

21 posted on 03/31/2005 6:07:23 PM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: neutrino

Yes, and apparently.


22 posted on 03/31/2005 6:07:44 PM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: Norman Bates

Perhaps I should have put a sarcasm tag on my post. The statement he made was so surreal that I can't believe no one is reporting it. No, actually I can believe it. Well, you know what I mean.


23 posted on 03/31/2005 6:08:27 PM PST by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: neutrino
If you really want to wrap your mind around a paradox, consider that if the court had ruled any other kind of method of termination, there wouldn't have been any time for second thoughts, legislation, last minute court appeals, etc. It would have been over long ago when the first removal took place. If there is anything to be said for the cessation of feeding and hydration, it is that there is a brief period during which you could correct a horrible mistake.
24 posted on 03/31/2005 6:08:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded (The murder of Terri Schindler Schiavo - NOT IN OUR NAME)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Compared to the Vicious Murdering Judiciary of Florida, Saddam executed its undesirables relatively mercifully

The USA Courts are making Saddam look kinder and more merciful than they are, for a sure shot to the head would have been kinder to Terri Schiave, who had to suffer for 13 days, and even allowed the murderers to cradle her in their arms as she died, (those horrible hipocrites who fein love, yet wish death upon an innnocent one), while her own parents were not even allowed to be with her in her dying hours.


25 posted on 03/31/2005 6:09:25 PM PST by tessalu
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To: Racehorse
In the case of the first position, that of principle, the examiner's report is irrelevent, no matter its claims or determinations.
26 posted on 03/31/2005 6:10:39 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: neutrino

A vanity worth vanitizing?


27 posted on 03/31/2005 6:11:24 PM PST by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: Racehorse

Are you aware of the more than a decade of abuse through forced neglect of Terri by her 'husband'? ... I don't need to read an autopsy report to know the man is a monster and was unfit to represent Terri as her guardian. There is no moral enigma, no moral conundrum, no moral dilemma ... Michael Schiavo proved his utter contepmt for Terri when he forced neglect for more than a deacde.


28 posted on 03/31/2005 6:11:41 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: neutrino

Everyone from the culture of death shouts "But, would you want to live that way?"...to which I respond "But, would you want to die this way?".


29 posted on 03/31/2005 6:12:27 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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To: MHGinTN
You've posed what you call a moral conundrum, but in fact it is nothing of the sort; you've mixed apples and Hemlock.

Please expand on this.

The court ordered that all water and all food be kept from Terri. The police arrested those who attempted to bring Terri water.

Is this not a death sentence?

If not, why not?

If it is a death sentence, why would it not be more humane to kill her more quickly?

30 posted on 03/31/2005 6:13:49 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: neutrino

Secularists are in jubilation, screaming from the top of their joyous voices, Terri's dead, Terrie's dead, praise Lucifer Terri's dead.

God, please forgive me for the great dislike that is building in my heart for these misguided people.


31 posted on 03/31/2005 6:13:52 PM PST by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: TXBubba

Actually, I remember him saying 'everyone knows you don't starve to death by withholding hydration and nutrition.' Oddly enough, Dr Deathford (Cranford) tried to jam the same parsing down Scarborough's throt the other night in Cranford's apologetics for euthanasia.


32 posted on 03/31/2005 6:15:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: tessalu
The USA Courts are making Saddam look kinder and more merciful than they are, for a sure shot to the head would have been kinder to Terri Schiave, who had to suffer for 13 days, and even allowed the murderers to cradle her in their arms as she died, (those horrible hipocrites who fein love, yet wish death upon an innnocent one), while her own parents were not even allowed to be with her in her dying hours.

Not only that, but they had the audacity to think that by cutting her off from nourishment they were absolving themselves from any role in her death. She was being "allowed" to die. That kind of rationalization is hardly worthy of a six-year-old Hottentot, much less a supposedly civilized adult. If that's the way it is, I wish someone would put a rope around their necks, suspend them from it, and "allow" them to peacefully strangle.

33 posted on 03/31/2005 6:17:18 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: neutrino

Terri was not a criminal therefore a death sentence ought not have been handed down by the circuit court judge. The euthanasia movement will seek to do exactly what you're trying to do with this false dichotomy. Apples are lifegiving food; Hemlock is a deadly poison. Get it?


34 posted on 03/31/2005 6:17:43 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Norman Bates

Dying with dignity: starving and dehydrating to death for 13+ days while "your" lawyer (supplied by your adulterous, "loyal" husband) tells the world about your deterioration in nightly TV newscasts, and your death bed is surrounded by two culture of death lawyers, an adulterous/traitorous spouse, and angels of death medical staff all leering at your withering body while the people that love you are banished to the hallway.


35 posted on 03/31/2005 6:17:50 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup> (...And on the 666th day, satan created the demonrat party.)
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To: Diogenesis

This was a sadistic, brutal torture murder that would land a peson in jail if done to a feline or canine, but because it was done at the orders of a death judge who is afforded the same power as a god in this nation, it has the stamp of approval.

I will never forget nor forgive what was done to this poor defenseless disabled child of G-d.

We must fight the forces of death (the Euthanasia crowd) with ever ounce of energy we have. They will eventually come for us all when we are sick and unable to take care of ourselves.


36 posted on 03/31/2005 6:18:23 PM PST by tomahawk (http://tomahawkblog.blogspot.com/)
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To: neutrino

I cannot believe that Freepers are even discussing this issue.
I have loved Freepers even before I got involved, for their collective ability to sort out the issues and state boldly and fearlessly their support for things that are right and good.

I'm not disgusted with Freepers. I would have just thought that this is not even a subject for decent people to chase.


37 posted on 03/31/2005 6:22:22 PM PST by righttackle44
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To: neutrino

Answer to one of your questions: Executing by lethal injection would have been much kinder. Yes, we treat mass-murderers more humanely than the ghouls, Greer and Michael S.,treated her.


38 posted on 03/31/2005 6:28:01 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: MHGinTN
Get it? I see.
39 posted on 03/31/2005 6:28:51 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: AntiGuv; neutrino
neutrino asked..."Is being disabled now a capital crime?"

You reply..."Don't be silly."

It may sound like a silly question...until you think carefully about the moral, philosophical, and legal issues surrounding this case.

Was Terri starved to death, or did she die from natural causes without any human intervention?

How long would Terri have lived had she not been denied food and water?

Was she clinically brain dead at the time her tube was removed?

How do you define the extent of Terri's disability?

What level of brain disability qualifies for death by starvation?

Do other permanent disabilities also qualify for death by starvation?

What constituted Terri's due process in asserting her desire to be starved to death, who acted on her behalf, and spoke for her?

What other people are put to death...as a result of a legal action....outside of convicted criminals in a capital murder case?
40 posted on 03/31/2005 6:28:59 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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