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And we thought we had Condi's words:

No deal with Pak on F-16 sale: Rice

Onkar Singh in New Delhi | March 16, 2005 12:46 IST Last Updated: March 16, 2005 13:28 IST

India on Wednesday conveyed its concern to the United States over its reported move to sell F-16 warplanes to Pakistan.

The issue figured during the wide-ranging talks visiting US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had with External Affairs Minister K Natwar Singh in New Delhi on Wednesday morning.

Singh said he conveyed to Dr Rice that any such sale might create 'some complications'.

Addressing a joint press conference, Dr Rice sought to allay New Delhi's apprehensions, saying there has been no such agreement with Islamabad and 'I don't expect any such announcement' during the course of her visit to South Asia, including Pakistan.

Dr Rice said US President George W Bush hoped to visit India later this year.

Maintaining a studied silence on India's claim for a permanent membership of the United Nations Security Council, she, however, said the US was talking to countries around the world on restructuring the world body and other issues related to it.

Dr Rice said restructuring the UN was a complex issue. "We are at the beginning of United Nations reforms," she noted.

The issue of India's claim for a permanent membership did come up during the discussions with Singh and the two agreed to stay in touch, the American Secretary of State said.

Dr Rice expressed her government's concern on the India-Iran gas pipeline. She said US Ambassador to India David Mulford had already conveyed US reservations to the Indian government.

Singh said India would continue to have cordial relations with Iran despite American reservations. The petroleum ministry was in touch with Iranian officials and holding talks with them on the pipeline, he added.

Both Dr Rice and Singh said there was a greater need to find new resources of energy and also for a close cooperation in defence and other areas.

Dr Rice paid rich tributes to the rise of India as a major economic power. She recalled how in December last year Indian ships helped tsunami victims not only in the country but in other nations as well.

The two leaders are likely to continue discussions during lunch.

Earlier, the US secretary of state called on Congress President Sonia Gandhi. The two discussed 'various important issues' during the half-an-hour meeting, Dr Rice said.

Additional reportage: PTI

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1 posted on 03/31/2005 2:37:47 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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2 posted on 03/31/2005 2:38:20 AM PST by Gengis Khan ("There is no glory in incomplete action." -- Gengis Khan)
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To: Gengis Khan

I was pretty shocked at the move by the US to arm Pakistan.. about like I felt when we gave that 20 mil to the Palestinians.. we can't play both sides..


3 posted on 03/31/2005 2:41:28 AM PST by Awestruck (Yes, prayer does help and it is important~!)
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To: Gengis Khan

Interesting read in yesterday's Wall Street Journal about this very subject. Their take was India wasn't as disappointed as portrayed since, in fact, India has been approved to buy the latest, more up to date fighter, the FA18. And in more quantity. Is this incorrect?


4 posted on 03/31/2005 2:47:07 AM PST by bullseye1911 (Not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was!)
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To: Gengis Khan

"Let's order a second hot dog!"

I thought Indians were vegans - however - a very interesting and provocative post. You raise some serious issues...


9 posted on 03/31/2005 3:00:07 AM PST by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: Gengis Khan
"simple solution for india: proliferate nuke and missile technology to anybody who wants it, especially taiwan and japan."

Maybe we want India to supply Taiwan with nuclear weapons so China will point the finger at them, not us, if a glowing shooting match develops over the Strait.

10 posted on 03/31/2005 3:04:59 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Gengis Khan
There was another option available after 9/11-to form a political and military alliance with India to crush Pakistan.

This path was not taken. The current policy, to make Pakistan an "ally", has much lower entry costs, which is likely why it was chosen.

However, the cost of maintaining the fiction that Pakistan is "friendly" rises sharply in later years, as our enemies there learn to game the system, which is what we see here.

16 posted on 03/31/2005 3:15:19 AM PST by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Gengis Khan

So what has India done for the U.S. ever?
The Indians have sucked up to Russia and or China for decades going any way possible but towards the U.S.

Pakistan while being a very unstable place neverthe less is a U.S. ally. Has helped in the war on terror.

We have been trying to make it easier for Pakistan to stick to the war on terror.


19 posted on 03/31/2005 3:17:41 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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"...simple solution for india: proliferate nuke and missile technology to anybody who wants it, especially taiwan and japan. this will immediately get american respect, much as pokhran-ii did."

If Indian had big enough cajones give nukes to Taiwan and Japan then I'd probably consider asking for Indian citizenship. ;-) It seems that U.S. is very effective in getting responsible states to back down from acquiring nukes but doesn't have a very good track record with rogue states.


26 posted on 03/31/2005 3:37:00 AM PST by Avenger
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To: Gengis Khan

I can only hope and pray that Israel and India get their act together and clean house in Pakistan, and then carpet bomb the entire mid-east.


30 posted on 03/31/2005 3:45:03 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Islam is a Death Cult...err...so are US Liberals)
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To: Gengis Khan

Refile under "Editorial"


31 posted on 03/31/2005 3:51:02 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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If there is one nation that despises America (and the west in general) it is Pakistan.

Where I live there is a reasonably large Pakistani population, and after 9/11 they were extremely happy. One Pakistani shop-owner was so happy he decided to put a portrait of Osama Bin Laden in his shop window.

Needless to say within a few days he had no shop windows left.

Is there not hypocrisy here in giving the semi-failed nuclear state that is Pakistan better weaponry, yet whining that the EU is giving arms to China?


35 posted on 03/31/2005 4:02:54 AM PST by cooper72
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To: Gengis Khan
For an excellent article which gives the opposite point of view, read this
38 posted on 03/31/2005 4:18:02 AM PST by Puzzleman ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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moral: proliferate nukes, threaten us interests everywhere, be terror hub, and get rewarded for it. this has been north korea's experience, china's experience, saudi arabia's experience, and pakistan's experience.

I find it hard to disagree with this. Sending F-16's to Pakistan in 1985 fine. Sending f-16's to Pakistan 2005...DEAD wrong and despicable.

39 posted on 03/31/2005 4:20:20 AM PST by montag813
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To: Gengis Khan
"I extend the left hand of friendship to shake your hand."

:-)

69 posted on 03/31/2005 5:56:59 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Gengis Khan
US tells India, drop dead

Yea...thats what America said to India *rolling eyes*

80 posted on 03/31/2005 6:31:46 AM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: Gengis Khan

Translation of article: The US wants more help from Pakistan in the hunt for bin Ladin on its Afghan border.


89 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:35 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Gengis Khan

I guess their skipping the whole national infrastructure thing what with indoor plumbing, diesel powered trains, a road system, and jumping straight to the high tech weapons and gadgets?

I'm really getting tired of the "ancient civilizations" downing the US because we've only been around a couple hundred years. You'd think that these long time countries would have progressed beyond caste systems, rickshaw draggin', and eating bugs.

Lets see if I've got this right - we put men on the moon almost 40 years ago, and these jacka$$es are just now getting a squadron of supersonic fighters together?

The only reason every man woman and child in the US has not progressed beyond what we have is because we're being held back by these turd worlder's.


90 posted on 03/31/2005 6:44:58 AM PST by Waterleak (I pity the fool)
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May as well sell some to Iran also. Very very very stupid move. Dumb as hell. Strongly appose this one. Are we trying to appease the Muslims? Because it will not work. Those F-16's can be used against us at a drop of a hat.
Amazed.

Why are we picking a fight with India? Because that is what this is. A swift kick in the crotch.
93 posted on 03/31/2005 6:49:52 AM PST by SQUID
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As much as I disagree with the F-16 sale to Pakistan, this guy is being a drama queen.

India has to be able to take this in the stride if it wants to be a great power.

136 posted on 03/31/2005 9:18:00 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: Gengis Khan; sukhoi-30mki
From the posted article:
"Retorted the former diplomat: "We are a free country. We can say what we want… I couldn't care less for pretensions of the American empire.'"

I thought that Britain and Russia had stopped telling India what to think and that Indians would stop listening to such whisperings in their ears against us (USA). Was I mistaken? The comments about "American empire" that we see all too often are projections by those who yearn to regain "empire"--not us.
169 posted on 03/31/2005 9:17:55 PM PST by familyop (Essayons!)
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