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And decrease the surplus population [Schiavo now, who's next?]
Bucks County Courier Times ^ | March 24, 2005 | J. D. Mullane

Posted on 03/30/2005 9:07:57 PM PST by syriacus

It's astounding how many people want Terri Schiavo dead and aren't afraid to say so.

I got clobbered by readers who reacted to Tuesday's column about how the "culture of death" has placed its compassionate arms around Terri, the brain-damaged Florida woman who is being starved to death.

E-mail and phone calls (more than 150 at last count) are running 2-1 against me.

"It's nuts, this 'life at all costs' mentality," a caller said.

There was general agreement: Terri should die and starvation ain't so bad.

"Her parents are being very selfish by keeping her alive. Your reference to her starving like the prisoners [at] Dachau and Bergen-Belsen? Oh, come on. She will not be in any pain. She will go gently to sleep. I'm a nurse."

So let's starve death row inmates instead of killing them with lethal injections. I mean, if starvation is so gentle and painless. Ignore the faint-hearted who gripe this is "cruel and unusual" punishment.

"Her brain is mush. There has never been a case of a person being in a [persistent vegetative] state this long and having any kind of recovery. There's not gonna be a recovery. She's 40-some years old. Who's gonna take care of her? Her parents? They're going to die soon themselves."

A 1984 car crash left Terry Wallis of Mountain View, Ark., a quadriplegic. He lay silently in a "persistent vegetative state" for 19 years. Suddenly, in summer 2003, he began talking. He asked for his mother - and for a Pepsi. I spoke with his parents.

Terry Wallis' wife, after swearing she would care for him forever, left him for another man and had kids with the guy. (Sound familiar?)

Custody was given to his parents, who were often depressed. They prayed a lot.

Today, Terry Wallis is determined to walk. His daughter, Amber, 6 weeks old in 1984, is 21 and cares for him.

The most frequent gripe readers have is that I am not a doctor and so should not comment on Terri Schiavo's medical condition.

"Interesting that you put yourself above trained doctors. As a doctor myself, I find this low mentality repugnant. You and Bush spread this dribble for your own good and care nothing about Terri, her wishes or her husband. Have you, Bush and the Republicans gone brain dead? If this is the case I hope someone pulls your plug." - Bill Helton

I received many comments like that. Reading them gave me a headache - oops, I'm not a doctor. I'm not qualified to make that diagnosis. Sorry.

A neurologist from New Jersey sent me this:

"I fear that our culture will push the line further as to who should live and who should die. I fear for the old, the young, the sick and the helpless. I fear becoming one of the helpless. - Maria Choy, M.D.

Me, too. After Terri Schiavo, who will the culture-of-death vultures circle? A hint. Dr. Ronald Cranford, a neurologist whose medical opinion was key to a Florida judge ordering Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed, was on TV this week candidly admitting he doesn't believe Alzheimer's patients have constitutional rights.

So first it's people like Terri, then the Alzheimer's sufferers, then perhaps end-stage cancer victims, and so forth.

Why not? Who would want to live like that? Are they not burdens?

Charles Dickens captured it when he had Scrooge confront the do-gooders who wanted to save the helpless, deemed worthless to Victorian England.

"If they had rather die they had better do it and decrease the surplus population."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: dickens; jebsfault; schiavo; wereallgonnadie; wsfault
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To: nopardons
Are you now saying that Teri DID choose to starve to death? You keep posting that.

I see you didn't bother to quote me at the beginning of your post, as most repliers do. You've left it up to me to show people what I really wrote. So I will make my words clear...

My exact words were

Scrooge sounds just like Greer and Michael. "Terri chose to starve herself to death. " "Our hands are clean "

Note the quotes that indicate I am attributing the sentiments to Greer and Michael

If you cannot cite, your side's not right.

181 posted on 03/31/2005 4:24:44 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: nopardons; Light Speed
Teri and Shiavo

If you two want to be taken seriously when you discuss Terri, you could at least make an effort to spell her name correctly.

182 posted on 03/31/2005 4:29:21 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: syriacus

Actually, I've found a lot of Dickensian moments in this. Remember the endless lawsuit in Bleak House conducted by the law firm of Jarndyce & Jarndyce, which basically did nothing but eat up the fortune (this was also a probate matter!). There was a feeling in many 19th century novels, in fact, that falling into the hands of the law and the judiciary was practically a fate worse than death, if only because it went on a lot longer than merely dying.

Dickens may have been a "flaming liberal" of his time, but I fail to see how that negates his value. Victorian capitalism was quite savage and very close to economic libertarianism; Dickens was not a Socialist, but someone who felt that society should be a little kinder to the weak. But contemporary liberals feel that society should not be "burdened" by the weak (elderly, handicapped, unborn, etc.) and in many ways share a lot of opinions with libertarians and Ayn Rand types.


183 posted on 03/31/2005 4:35:31 AM PST by livius
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To: Lion in Winter

This is inevitable since taking the free market out of the equation guarantees that the costs will always rise exponentially. The politicans have three choices: (1) end health care, wherein the opposition party simply starts it up again when they're elected in overwhelming numbers by angry wel-faeries making 1994 look tame, (2) raise taxes that actually decreases revenue by crippling the economy, (3) kill off the hopeless cases and incremently lower the bar for "hopeless". There is only one logical choice from the politicans' view.


184 posted on 03/31/2005 4:41:17 AM PST by Nataku X (Food for Thought: http://web2.airmail.net/scsr/)
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To: syriacus

Excellent article.


185 posted on 03/31/2005 4:56:39 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: livius
Remember the endless lawsuit in Bleak House conducted by the law firm of Jarndyce & Jarndyce, which basically did nothing but eat up the fortune (this was also a probate matter!)

You've pointed out some very specific parallels and your whole post was very informative.

Thank you.

186 posted on 03/31/2005 4:58:00 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: hellinahandcart

Thanks, hellinahandcart. :-)


187 posted on 03/31/2005 5:01:46 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: syriacus
This is Judge MANDELE Greer's proposal to address the financial problem of Social Security- STOP FEEDING ALL THOSE COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY WHO CANNOT FEED THEMSELVES!

This is the government of incrementalism. Remember the smoking ban initiative - we only want four non-smoking seats on an airplane flight.
188 posted on 03/31/2005 5:13:03 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: leprechaun9
This is the government of incrementalism

Yes.

Even liberals talk about slippery slopes, when it suits their purposes.

189 posted on 03/31/2005 5:31:51 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: Light Speed


Good post
and GOOD to "see" you.


190 posted on 03/31/2005 11:24:02 AM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: syriacus

Lets move on people.


191 posted on 03/31/2005 11:25:32 AM PST by biblewonk (I wouldn't want to live like that.)
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To: biblewonk
Lets move on people.

Only two posts since in the last 6 hours, yours included. I think everyone has moved on.

Anyone notice how Felos keeps flicking his tongue in his open mouth, right before he lies?

192 posted on 03/31/2005 11:39:21 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: bigjoesaddle
You posted a picture from Logan's Run. Did you hear Felos's description of how 30 hospice workers stood around Terri's body while it was on a gurney?

It reminded me immediately of the picture you posted.

193 posted on 03/31/2005 11:58:38 AM PST by syriacus (Liberals + logic - these two don't mix. Post kindly + carry a BIG font. We musn't starve bulimics)
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To: Light Speed
BRAVO!
194 posted on 03/31/2005 3:07:55 PM PST by nopardons
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To: syriacus

Your "colorized version" of this debate is yet another fiction.


195 posted on 03/31/2005 3:09:05 PM PST by nopardons
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To: syriacus

Don't cherry pick my posts. That's one heck of a nasty habit you have there...cherry picking anyone and everyone's written word and trying to make it all fit your agenda.


196 posted on 03/31/2005 3:10:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: syriacus

You cherry pick; ergo you've lost before you've begin.


197 posted on 03/31/2005 3:12:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: syriacus
What...you've never made a typo in your entire posting history?

When someone uses that as refutation,they've already lost the debate.

198 posted on 03/31/2005 3:13:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: syriacus; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo.

Please let load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

199 posted on 04/02/2005 12:32:22 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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To: syriacus
Years ago, my friends adopted a severely retarded one-month-old baby. Twenty-something years later, he is a ward of the state and is tube-fed. He has never talked, he's blind, and has some walking/crawling mobility.

Unlike Terri, his adopted parents are now too old to take care of him and don't have the resources to do so even if they were able. Unlike Terri, there were no good family memories of better days playing with siblings when he was younger. He has never spoken the English language, never learned to read, never contributed anything directly to the economy. Unlike Terri and some other PVS victims, there is nothing for him to awaken from and come back to.

Is he next for feed-tube removal?

200 posted on 04/02/2005 12:39:59 PM PST by MHT
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