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Meet Judge Greer's pastor
WorldNetDaily ^ | 3/29/05 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 03/30/2005 7:06:04 AM PST by apackof2

I am convinced God uses trials like the Terri Schiavo case to test men.

Pinellas County Circuit Court Judge George Greer was tested – and found wanting.

He had seven years to consider this case and got it wrong every time.

I don't know Greer personally, but I know many people like him. They go to church on Sunday and then between Monday and Friday lead lives with no seeming connection to what they hear preached in the pulpit, what they read in the Bible, what they claim to believe of the Christian faith.

This may be the biggest single problem we have in America today – this disconnect between the spiritual lives of Christians and how they practice their faith in the world.

Greer, until recently, was a member of the Calvary Baptist Church in Clearwater, Fla. He left at the urging of Pastor William Rice, who counseled him wisely: "You must know that in all likelihood it is this case which will define your career and this case that you will remember in the waning days of life. I hope you can find a way to side with the angels and become an answer to the prayers of thousands."

Rice has my highest regard for that decision. Too many pastors in this country don't require obedience to God as a prerequisite for church membership. They seem to believe in a kind of "cheap" grace that comes with regular attendance or tithing rather than a Christian walk. They seem to have no minimal standards for fellowship and communion with the saints.

There are few heroes in the Terri Schiavo scandal. Her parents and siblings qualify. Terri herself qualifies. Those who braved arrest to bring her cups of water qualify. And, in my book, so does Rev. William Rice.

Do you want to know why the church doesn't have influence and impact in our increasingly secular world today?

Because there are too many so-called Christians like Judge George Greer and not enough like Pastor William Rice.

Greer's friends have attacked the church and defended the judge, saying he was interpreting the law to the best of his ability. However, if that is true, then Greer, as a Christian, had a duty to obey God's laws rather than man's laws. That would require him to leave the bench if he truly saw a conflict. Instead, Greer opted to leave his church – and, presumably, his weak faith.

"Like evangelicals across the world, we are horrified at the thought that a handicapped woman could be, in effect, starved to death before a watching world," Rice wrote. Admitting he was not a legal or medical expert, Rice asserted: "I know right from wrong. I know what God thinks about human life. I know there is only one way to describe the prospect of starving a woman to death because she cannot feed herself. It is wrong."

Rice continued: "Morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schiavo is not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed herself? Can a month-old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient stricken with some debilitating disease and unable to feed herself suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give life, and only He should take it away."

"Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a dying woman being allowed to die peacefully," Rice wrote. "Remember when we were told that Roe v. Wade was simply about helping women who had been raped or whose lives were imminently threatened? Today, few abortions fall into that category, but millions of human lives have been sacrificed upon the altar of selfishness. And the slide down the slippery slope continues."

In case Greer was still confused, his pastor gave him more to think about.

"This case seems complex, but it is as simple as four words: 'Thou shalt not kill.' If you need a compass for this complex case, you'll find it there," he wrote. "As we all know, the Sixth Commandment means it is wrong to murder – to take the life of an innocent person without just cause. If I were the nurse in that hospice center and the directive were given to me to discontinue feeding a living human being and watch as he or she starved to death, I couldn't do it. I'd rather get fired, resign or do something else."

Christians can go on blaming others for the problems we face in this country. Or we can go into the churches and start cleaning up the messes we have in our own houses of worship. It's time to take back the churches. It's time to renew the idea of standards. It's time to make church membership mean something again.

Judge George Greer did the wrong thing. Pastor William Rice did the right thing. If we had more pastors like Rice, we'd have fewer judges like Greer.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
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Amen
1 posted on 03/30/2005 7:06:04 AM PST by apackof2
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To: apackof2

some good points, but when joe farah preaches, oy.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 7:09:11 AM PST by the invisib1e hand ("remember, from ashes you came, to ashes you will return.")
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To: apackof2
Like Johnny Cochran (and the rest of us), Judge Greer will one day find himself in the highest court of them all.

I've heard the Judge there is reasonably forgiving but entertains no appeals.

3 posted on 03/30/2005 7:10:01 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: apackof2

AMEN!

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4 posted on 03/30/2005 7:10:02 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: apackof2
Could anything be more dangerous than insisting that a Judge obey g-d's law rather than man's law.

Would we accept that from a man who is an islamic fundamentalist?

There are some religions who believe in human sacrifice too.....are we to ask them to enforce their beliefs rather than man's laws?

5 posted on 03/30/2005 7:11:19 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: apackof2

Most churches these days are nothing more than "community activity centers."


6 posted on 03/30/2005 7:11:35 AM PST by clintonh8r (Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Tis is a very good article and to the point. Many people say that they are Christian, go to church, and still are not willing to obey God, and they do not believe his word. If they really believed in God and his judgements, they would not set out to murder and to wish someone dead.


7 posted on 03/30/2005 7:12:05 AM PST by tessalu ( A)
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To: OldFriend
Would we accept that from a man who is an islamic fundamentalist?

That wouldn't be God's law.

8 posted on 03/30/2005 7:13:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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I have to agree with this.

I left a job once simply because the way in which they started doing business just I was being asked to do things that went against my personal principles and values.

I was not asked to do anything illegal or even unethical, but it went enough against my grain that I felt I just couldn't continue following policy.


9 posted on 03/30/2005 7:14:09 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: apackof2

"Rice continued: "Morality and truth must serve as our guide. Terri Schiavo is not on life support. She is not dying. Good evidence exists to suggest that she is responsive. All she receives is food and water, the same as you and me. Are we to conclude that she is less than human because she cannot feed herself? Can a month-old child feed himself? Is an elderly patient stricken with some debilitating disease and unable to feed herself suddenly less human? Do we now use an IQ test to determine if someone possesses the right to live? Isn't that God's choice? Only God can give life, and only He should take it away.""

Amen, this says it all. How would the judge rule if the case were different as written above? I know Jeb Bush is doing what he can, but is doing all he can? Sometimes a person has to do what is right, even if the court of law is telling you different. We have to answer to God, not man. May God have mercy on Greer's soul.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 7:17:04 AM PST by rawhide
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That wouldn't be God's law.

And you know this how?

11 posted on 03/30/2005 7:17:44 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: OldFriend

That can only be a concern (or a question) if one believes there's no difference between human sacrifice and self-sacrifice. There will always be those who follow the "law," because they don't have enough "sense" of their own to follow.


12 posted on 03/30/2005 7:18:08 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: AppyPappy
That wouldn't be God's law.

Thank you, there is always at least one comment that tries to compare Islam with Christanity

13 posted on 03/30/2005 7:19:19 AM PST by apackof2 (Love is a verb)
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To: rawhide
Amen, this says it all. How would the judge rule if the case were different as written above? I know Jeb Bush is doing what he can, but is doing all he can? Sometimes a person has to do what is right, even if the court of law is telling you different. We have to answer to God, not man. May God have mercy on Greer's soul.

I disagree. We do not live in a theocracy. (And that I am very glad of!!!)

14 posted on 03/30/2005 7:19:37 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: apackof2

Very good article.....too bad many more Americans aren't seeing it. Thanks for posting it


15 posted on 03/30/2005 7:21:26 AM PST by TexasTaysor
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To: clintonh8r
Most churches these days are nothing more than "community activity centers."

That's the best case. The worst case is that they are indoctrination centers for the liberal agenda.

16 posted on 03/30/2005 7:21:53 AM PST by DakotaGator
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To: RadioAstronomer
And you know this how?

Because Mohammed isn't Jesus

17 posted on 03/30/2005 7:23:03 AM PST by apackof2 (Love is a verb)
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To: apackof2
When I am unable to communicate, my spouse has the authority and duty to communicate for me as best she can. That's because we "are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." Until death do us part.

According to her husband, it was Terri's wish that she not be kept alive in a PVS. Given the number of physicians who say she's in PVS, her husband is simply carrying out her wishes.

Whatever we might speculate about his motives, we must not lose sight of the fact that she married him.

18 posted on 03/30/2005 7:23:19 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Southern Baptists are quite strict. I have known of people who have been asked to leave because of adultery. They are first consoled, but if it continues its not surprising they aren't asked to leave.
19 posted on 03/30/2005 7:23:41 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Michael, is it the movie and books deals you're waiting for, my boy?)
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To: apackof2

Christian or not, Judge Greer enjoys his power and fame. How else could he find it easier to leave his church than leave his job on the bench? He deserves every bit of scrutiny he gets and then some. However uncomfortable it is for him, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't trade places with Terri for the world.


20 posted on 03/30/2005 7:25:26 AM PST by austinaero
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