Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan

MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

[texasflower]

I made no attempt to determine her capabilities.

How many times am I going to have to say that to you people?

It's truly no wonder you guys aren't getting this.

[ContraryMary]

Dr. Jon Thogmartin, the medical examiner chosen by Felos/Schiavo to perform the autopsy, was appointed to his current position by Gov. Jeb Bush in 2000 for a three year term and reappointed in 2003. He reports to the Pinellas County Board of Commissioners, the same commission of which Greer was a commissioner prior to assuming judicial office.

LOL! The excuses are already starting in order to provide justification for dismissing the autopsy results and the autopsy hasn't even been performed yet!

[Nightshift]

I made no attempt to determine her capabilities.

If you made no attempts to determine her capabilities, please explain what you meant by this?

The scans posted are very clear. What do you all have to say about that?

That statements gives the impression you already have by what you saw in the CT.

[ContraryMary]

That is truly a profound article. It's one flaw, however, is that the author assumes that the decision about Terri's wishes was based on conversations with Michael, and we know that is not true. I also think it's a little weak on the fact that people can make their wishes known verbally; I'm not sure the author would ever accept verbal statements concerning one's wishes; he even seems to be advocating ignoring living wills. But he raises many thoughtful questions.

[texasflower]

Let me try this again.

The scan very clearly shows that there is significant atrophy.

What exactly are you trying to get out of me?

I sure seem to be consuming a lot of your time.

Here's a tip.... you will not get me to tell you what I really think.

[jess35]

Whether you accept it as 'killing' her or not does not alter the fact that she was 'killed' by the active removal of nutrition

There is a difference between killing someone and allowing them to die. When you remove life support, you're not killing anyone.

[jess35]

You and the rest of your euthanasia cheerleaders....

Look up the definition of euthanasia.

Mr Dictionary is your friend.

[Figment]

"I noticed you all ignored them and decided to try and bash the doctor instead"


Okay, you're right. Everyone needs to report immediately for a CT scan. If it resembles these, they are to starved to death as quickly as possible.

[T'wit]

>> Honestly if you are so hardheaded or dense as to not see that scan shows severe atrophy then you are beyond any ability to reason.

You admit that you can't interpret CTs, then you go right ahead and interpret the CT and say that this CT shows atrophy. Is that what you refer to as "reason"?

You got it wrong anyway. The CT does not show atrophy. It cannot possibly show atrophy. Atrophy means deterioration from the prior state. You can't show the condition has worsened without knowing the prior condition.

In everyday words, you must compare a Before and After photo to show the change of condition. All you gave us was "After."

Let's let the docs do the interpreting.

[texasflower]

Are you aware of the fact that your post is incorrect?

[texasflower]

Don't be foolish. You are letting your emotions control you.

[T'wit]

>> Are you aware of the fact that your post is incorrect?

Not yet.

[CyberCowboy777]

Your post of the CT is neither here nor there. While interesting, the lack of "brain" matter is no determinate of person-hood.

Have you seen the brain scans of Michelle Mack?

She is missing almost the entire left side of her brain.... and yet she lives a lively and productive life.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1101/resources/transcript.htm#7

[texasflower]

How many times must I say this? I will give you a break because you are obviously you are at the beginning of the thread but check the last half of it.

Over and over again, I have said the exact same thing.

The scan shows significant atrophy. I made no attempt to diagnose Terri or make any sort of determination as to her capabilities.

[CyberCowboy777]

Just as I said, your post of her CT is neither here nor there.

You posted for what purpose? It provides no information to the situation nor can it be used as evidence of ability or inability.

My only guess is that you, thinking that the CT proved some point contested, were unaware of the complete lack of information it provided to the discussion.

[Figment]

"Don't be foolish. You are letting your emotions control you"

Emotion played no part in the comment at all. If you believe that a CT scan justifies starvation, you should be consistent in justifying it for all with the same type scan. I personally don't believe any test available justifies euthanasia, but that's just me.

[texasflower]

As I also said, the pictures were the ones accompanying the article.

I did not chose them.

[texasflower]

I did not make any comment whatsoever about what should be done.

I did not make any comment about her capabilities.

[CyberCowboy777]

Did you choose to post them?

I can understand the lack of knowledge from some MSM report, I can understand the pictures added to such a story (without the relevant caveats, such as mine) in an effort to sway the uninformed.

But I feel certain (from your profile) that you are aware of the plasticity of the brain and the fact that the CT scan proves only one thing - part of her brain is unavailable.

That fact is a given, it is not in debate.

So why show it unless you want to misinform the public into thinking that the fact leads to the additional fact that a person without a large portion of brain cannot function, or feel, or really be alive.

[CyberCowboy777]

What is your point?

Are we Captain obvious today? Part of her brain is missing!