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Terri Schiavo's 2002 CT scan
MSNBC ^ | 3 29 05 | msnbc dan abrams interview

Posted on 03/29/2005 9:45:05 PM PST by flixxx

TRANSCRIPT Updated: 4:04 p.m. ET March 29, 2005 The overwhelming majority in the medical community say Terri Schiavo has close to no brain activity and has no chance of regaining awareness. Dr. Ronald Cranford, who actually examined Terri Schiavo in 2002 and testified to her condition, joined "The Abrams Report" on Monday. Cranford is the assistant chief of neurology at the Hennepin County Medical Center in Minneapolis as well as a faculty member at the University of Minnesota's Center for Bioethics. Below is the transcript of their conversation.

DAN ABRAMS, HOST: You're one of the few people who has actually examined Terri Schiavo and you're hearing all of these people who are coming on from the sidelines saying, "She's has been misdiagnosed," et cetera. How confident are you in your diagnosis and why?

DR. RONALD CRANFORD, UNIV. OF MN NEUROLOGIST: I'm extremely confident. I think at the time of the trial in 2002 there had been eight neurologists who examined her. And of those eight neurologists total, seven of them said beyond any doubt whatsoever Terri is in a vegetative state. Her CT scan shows severe atrophy or shrinkage of the brain. Her EEG is flat and there's absolutely no doubt that she's been in a permanent vegetative state ever since 1990. There's no doubt whatsoever, Dan.

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To: OneTimeLurker
How about because her doctors (experts) didn't think it was a worthwhile endeavor and because it didn't even have a 1% chance of working. The judge is not in the position to just let people experiment on a person if they aren't doctors.

So why did he not let the parents try and make fools of themselves? Michael might always have lucked out and had them accidentally choke Terri sooner than she would otherwise have died. And if that had happened, he could have deflected a lot of the blame from himself.

The only way I can see that letting the parents try to feed Terri wouldn't be a win for Michael would be if they succeeded. And since such success would imply that dehydration was never legal, no legitimate motive can take such 'risks' into consideration.

101 posted on 03/29/2005 10:46:41 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Uh...he's a Quack. He wasn't given a VALID Nobel prize nomination.

Hey Luke...I nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Medicine. That's about the validity of his nomination. Is that the hill y'all want to die on?

102 posted on 03/29/2005 10:47:25 PM PST by jess35
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To: All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1370607/posts?page=1

How Liberalism Failed Terri Schiavo by Eric Cohen

Once again I would like to point to this article. I know it probably won't sway the people that want to dehydrate Terri to death, but I think it will give the people that believe she deserves to live a few good points to consider. Maybe we (as in the pro-life Terri people) shouldn't get all of our eggs tied up in what her brain looks like basket. I believe Terri's life has worth even if her brain looks like oatmeal. Look at the ruckus and debate she's caused and she can't even leave her room. Terri thank you for being. I am glad you were born and I'm glad you are still here. Even if they are successful at killing you, your life had meaning. You've had lots of things taken away from you, but they won't be able to strip you of that.

103 posted on 03/29/2005 10:50:10 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: supercat
Supercat...sorry, I just couldn't finish reading your post. The theme song from the Twilight Zone was playing a little too loudly in my head.

No one has anything to gain from the death of the body of Terri Schiavo.

104 posted on 03/29/2005 10:50:25 PM PST by jess35
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To: texasflower

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43463

Read that article. I read it tonight and it say's that Terri was improving before Michael Schiavo stopped her rehabilitation.

It's a good read. Lot's of information.


105 posted on 03/29/2005 10:51:16 PM PST by GloriaJane ("How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight" http://music.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: jess35
Jess35,

May I have a nomination as well. Anything to beef up the resume :)
106 posted on 03/29/2005 10:51:32 PM PST by madconservative
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To: TotusTuus
She is not being kept alive by extreme and/or artificial means

I'm sorry, but you are in error. A feeding tube is extraordinary life support. It is on equal grounds with a ventilator.

107 posted on 03/29/2005 10:52:47 PM PST by jess35
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To: texasflower

As I said, you are not an expert, nor am I. I know there is a treatment for severe brain disorders where half of the brain is removed and the patients lead productive lives.

Let's play "What If".

1. You do not have the requisite knowledge to discern from a cat scan the diagnosis or prognosis of the patient.

2. No reputable professional would attempt to judge a person's condition or future on this scan.

3. You do not know if this is Terri's scan or not. You do not know if it has been altered.

4. The star witness has a conflict of interest and has an obvious bias in this case.

Question for ya, texas flower. If you were on a jury in Tejas, would you vote to sentence a murderer to hang on that evidence?


108 posted on 03/29/2005 10:54:50 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: GloriaJane

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT WILL LET TERRI'S PARENTS FILE A PETITION FOR REHEARING FOR AN INJUNCTION TO REINSERT FEEDING TUBE... BREAKING


109 posted on 03/29/2005 10:55:27 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: MadIvan

Good post MI.


110 posted on 03/29/2005 10:56:25 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: jess35
I'm sorry, but you are in error. A feeding tube is extraordinary life support. It is on equal grounds with a ventilator.

Though the Florida Legislature declared it to be so in 1999, it was not so at the time Terri made her remarks about 'tubes'. Suppose that the legislature were to declare that 'artificial life support' included the purchasing and acquisition of foodstuffs. Would it be legitimate to interpret a living-will request of 'no life support' as authorizing the starvation of anyone who couldn't get themselves to the store to buy their own food?

111 posted on 03/29/2005 10:57:02 PM PST by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: OneTimeLurker
How about because her doctors (experts) didn't think it was a worthwhile endeavor and because it didn't even have a 1% chance of working. The judge is not in the position to just let people experiment on a person if they aren't doctors.

This is one of the most inconsistent, absurd and riscible statements I have ever seen made on this board. Congratulation on reaching a new low.

Feeding as experimentation! That's rich!

112 posted on 03/29/2005 10:57:28 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: supercat
"So why did he not let the parents try and make fools of themselves? "

That's not the business of the court. They aren't trying to prove a point or play games. Your whole point relies on the premise that there is some sort of conspiracy and that Greer had some personal stake in this case. There is no legitimate evidence that he did and if anything I am sure he wishes he never heard the name Terri Schaivo.

Moreover, if the parents were so sure Terri could eat on her own, why didn't they just try and not wait for anybody to give them permission. That way they would show the world. I imagine they didn't because they want to choke her to death. Deep down they know the truth though they are being used pretty pathetically.
113 posted on 03/29/2005 10:58:26 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: jess35
No one has anything to gain from the death of the body of Terri Schiavo.

Actually, I believe that Michael Schiavo does.

Inheritance plus the ability to marry his girlfriend as a widower insead of as a divorced man.

114 posted on 03/29/2005 10:59:58 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: texasflower

Maybe every citizen should have a brain scan and those of us not up to par can be starved to death.


115 posted on 03/29/2005 11:00:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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To: TotusTuus

Bravo! Well said.


116 posted on 03/29/2005 11:01:35 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: flixxx

Alert but severly damaged or in a vegetative state, the condition of Terri should have little bearing on the case. A "Judge" worthy of the term should be able to "judge" that the husband to whom he has granted every benefit of doubt has tremendous conflict of interest issues and his testimony should be discounted accordingly.


117 posted on 03/29/2005 11:02:26 PM PST by catpuppy
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To: John Valentine
"This is one of the most inconsistent, absurd and riscible statements I have ever seen made on this board. Congratulation on reaching a new low.

Feeding as experimentation! That's rich!"

You say a lot without saying much. Maybe you could point out the inconsistencies? Why not just let somebody kick her in the face. After all, it may have waken her out of her PVS. I mean, it could work after all, anything is possible.
118 posted on 03/29/2005 11:02:54 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: Electrowoman

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
REPOST THIS ARTICLE FROM CODEBLUEBLOG...

THIS IS THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE ARTICLE I HAVE READ TO DATE-

CSI MEDBLOGS: FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF CT BRAINS TURNS UP NEW ASTOUNDING EVIDENCE

Terri Did Not Suffer Her Brain Damage Outside The Hospital--It Occurred While She Was Hospitalized


119 posted on 03/29/2005 11:03:42 PM PST by RepublicanHostageinCalif (Want to know what the Dems can do? Just look what they've done to Calif)
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To: HungarianGypsy

There is more to the human being than the brain. There can be, and have been, people with quite defective brains who have managed to do "work arounds".

And anyway, as I mentioned above, if people think Terri should be starved to death because her brain is defective, then perhpaps we should all have brain scans and those of us with some defects in the brain should also be starved to death. I mean, that's logical.


120 posted on 03/29/2005 11:04:04 PM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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