Fed Appeals Court Grant Terri's Parents Petition for Rehearing

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[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT WILL LET TERRI'S PARENTS FILE A PETITION FOR REHEARING FOR AN INJUNCTION TO REINSERT FEEDING TUBE... BREAKING

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Moderator update:

Court Says Yes To Schiavo Parents

March 30, 2005

(CBS/AP) A federal appeals court early Wednesday granted Terri Schiavo's parents the right to file a petition for rehearing for an injunction that could allow their daughter's feeding tube to be reconnected.

The ruling came just after midnight from a federal appeals court in Atlanta.

On Tuesday, Schiavo's 12th full day without food or water, the Rev. Jesse Jackson prayed with her parents and joined conservatives in calling for state lawmakers to order her feeding tube reinserted.

The former Democratic presidential candidate was invited by Schiavo's parents to meet with activists outside Schiavo's hospice. His arrival was greeted by some applause and cries of "This is about civil rights!"

"I feel so passionate about this injustice being done, how unnecessary it is to deny her a feeding tube, water, not even ice to be used for her parched lips," he said. "This is a moral issue and it transcends politics and family disputes."

As the Schiavo deathwatch drags on, CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassmann spoke with two families who grappled with the same issues as the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo. On one side are Dorothy and Michael Brocato, who have provided care for their brain-damaged daughter Lisa, who suffered brain damage from a heart attack 15 years ago.

"We have devoted our lives to taking care of Lisa, says her mother. The Brocatos are sympathetic to the Schindler's wish to keep Terri Schiavo alive

"I love her. I love her. I couldn't picture not having her around me,'' says Dorothy Brocato.

Ron Oister has watched the Schiavo drama play out from a very different perspective. When Oister's father was essentially brain-dead, his son's wrenching decision was to let his father go.

"It was very hard,'' Oister told Strassmann. "That was my father. And he was in front of me. And I knew he could never return to what he had been."

Oister says Schiavo's parents helped create this needless public spectacle because they refused to face their hard reality.

"She died then, not now. My own experience would say that one ends life at that time."

Jesse Jackson's visit provided an emotional boost to Schiavo's parents and siblings, who have maintained that Schiavo would want to be kept alive. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, insists he is carrying out her wishes by having the feeding tube pulled.

Mary Schindler, Terri Schiavo's mother, later made a terse but emotional appeal to Michael Schiavo: "Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me." Michael Schiavo and fiancee Jodi Centonze have two children, born long after Terri Schiavo fell into paralysis.

Although supporters of the Schindlers have claimed the dehydrated woman is being denied comfort measures such as ice chips for her dry mouth or balm for chapped lips, George Felos, the husband's attorney, defended how Schiavo is being cared for.

"Obviously, the parents and the siblings are desperate. Desperation may lead to different perceptions," Felos told CNN. "I can only tell you what I've seen, and Terri is dying a very peaceful, cared-for death." Felos did not return phone messages seeking comment from The Associated Press.

Jackson said he asked Michael Schiavo for permission to see the brain-damaged woman but was denied. He also telephoned black legislators in a last-ditch effort to bring back a bill that would prohibit severely brain-damaged patients from being denied food and water if they didn't express their wishes in writing. Lawmakers rejected the legislation earlier this month and appeared unlikely to reconsider it.

One of those contacted by Jackson, Democratic state Sen. Gary Siplin, said he told Jackson the issue had been "thoroughly discussed." Senate Democratic leader Les Miller added, "I have voted. It's time to move on."

The chief sponsor of the measure, state Sen. Daniel Webster, said he knew of no changed votes and that Jackson's efforts may have come too late.

"If he could sway votes — and I'm certain he may be able to — it would have been helpful if he had done that a little earlier" said Webster, a Republican. "We're running out of time. To do it now is not as timely as a couple of weeks ago would have been."

Bob Schindler described his daughter as "failing" following his visit Tuesday.

"She still looks pretty darn good under the circumstances," Schindler said. "You can see the impact of no food and water for 12 days. Her bodily functions are still working. We still have her."

First lady Laura Bush also commented on the case Tuesday, saying the government was right to have intervened on behalf of Schiavo.

"It is a life issue that really does require government to be involved," Bush said aboard a plane bound for Afghanistan, where she was to promote education and women's rights.

During Jackson's visit, a man was tackled to the ground by officers when he tried to storm into the hospice, police said. He became the 47th protester arrested since the feeding tube was removed March 18. The man had two bottles of water with him but did not reach the hospice door, police said.

Doctors have said Terri Schiavo, 41, would probably die within a week or two of the tube being removed. She suffered catastrophic brain damage in 1990 when her heart stopped for several minutes because of a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder.

The parents also lost another round in the courts Tuesday when an appeals court upheld a pervious ruling by Judge George Greer that blocked the Department of Children and Families from intervening in the case.




Court Says Yes To Schiavo Parents

[TigersEye]

Frankly, I think the fact that she's hung on this long means she has a strong will to live.

It certainly isn't logical that a body bereft of mind and soul would fight so hard to live does it? People with all of their faculties intact have been known to die from relatively minor injuries due to their own attitudes of fear and doubt.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

She would have died in any society without 21st-century medicine.

There is a better than 50% chance you would be dead too. Does that mean you are not alive now?

[mother22wife21]

Wow! There's a blast from the past. Remember 'Tea in the Sahara'?

[twigs]

I think that is one of the most compelling reasons to believe that Mrs. Schiavo does not want to die.

[TigersEye]

That and the fact that she smiles and laughs when her parents and siblings visit her and, by affidavit testimonies, she curls up in a ball and trembles after her husband has been there.

[syriacus]

Descartes addressed this in his proposition that it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)

Since Wolfson does not seem responsible for this statement, what is its source?

[cpforlife.org]

Yep. Awesome. Got em all on CD. I'm a music fanatic.

[krunkygirl]

It makes me cry--NOW JUST DO IT!

[syriacus]

She would have died in any society without 21st-century medicine.

Does that imply that we should take away the latest meds from the people who need them?

[jude24]

Its from the guardian ad litem report.

Link, page is above.

[syriacus]

Sorry. I meant to reply to Jude24. You didn't say
"She would have died in any society without 21st-century medicine."

[piasa]

He/she/it is unable to answer a simple question about what he/she/it had for lunch.

The matter at hand is not about consciousness, but about life.

Just mentioning lunch on a Schiavo thread brings to mind what we are denying to another living thing, in this case a human being. [As well as her natural family. ]

The question was relevent. The poster who doesn't know what he/she/it ate today couldn't exist were it not for people who value life, people like those who defend this woman, and those in her family who yet care about her.

They wouldn't exist if the whole world measured life on by their own short-sighted and self-centered standards of convenience. They'd starve to death just as this woman is being starved to death, while pondering and debating if it's worth it to go milk the cows if the cows aren't fully aware of where the milk is going or why.

Everyone -but Terri- is a consumer who ate something today which was once alive or produced by something which was alive, whether animal or vegetable, something which was recognized as life worthy of the care, labor and investment of producers. Lettuce and oysters don't have show evidence of 'consciousness' as we know it to be important to us, so why isn't a helpless person treated with at least as much concern?

Most people have a preference for green lawns, and manicured landscapes, parks, and other similar things in which we don't expect to produce something to consume, use or market- but just want to enjoy while it's here because we have come to value these things. We don't write them off as good as 'dead' and therefore worthless because they aren't 'conscious' as we define it. Just be thankful someone didn't forget to fertilize the tomato plants and feed the animals you need to eat, or some wacko death-trekkie lawyers didn't bar people from doing it.

[P-Marlowe]

it is our awareness, our consciousness that defines our being: "Cogito, ergo sum." This logic would imply that unless we are aware and conscious, we cease to be.)

IOW we cease to be when we are in a coma, or under anesthesia, or in a dreamless sleep.

How utterly absurd.

[zippee]

Does anyone know the next step? How long will this ruling take?

[jude24]

How utterly absurd.

P-Marlowe is a more erudite philosopher than Descartes? Who knew?

[mother22wife21]

When my mom heard 'every breath you take', she summed it up, "that young man has problems"....the perfect stalker theme music.

[sarasota]

I don't think a spoon (as in the regular way to eat, forbidden by the HINO) is 21st century medicine.

[SolomoninSouthDakota]

"I have seen God work in my life in Lazarus fashion.. No raising from physical death.. But surely he interveneed countless times saving me from a madman who kept trying to murder me, Whether it was drowning. Strangulation< Trying to shoot me, stab me, poison me, or beat me to death. God always intervened right on time. GLORY TO HIS NAME !!!!!!!!!!!"

Hey, you just reminded me, I too have had my life miraculously spared on two occasion. Saving Terri miraculously is certainly possible.

[sarasota]

Poor Descartes. If only he had heeded Socrates or Plato and the philosophy of a higher source than "mind" or "consciousness". (Hint: that which never dies.)

[longtermmemmory]

I get the impression that this is more the 11th doing CYA and they are going to say the Whitmore Test is enough of an examination of the merits which deciding on death by court order.


BTW: NEW TALKING POINT ALERT: The democrats must have faxed out a new talking point of "death with dignity."
(pay no mind to that man behind the mirror)


I also get the impression there are wanabe talk show hosts who are taking pro-death stances for ratings.