Why Terri's Parents Lost: the Real Story

Newsmax.com | 03-29-05 | Newsmax.com

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[Mo1]

I'd like to know if any of her body organs are being purchased and by whom; and are these being purchased and who gets the money.

I believe it is illegal to sell organs .. but they can be donated

But I don't think her organs would any good after her death since she's being dehydrated to death

[Mo1]

Good post

[Mo1]

Bingo. Why don't more people get it?

Because they don't want to

[DaveTesla]

"What life haters... could it be they hate the Author of all life?"

Proverbs 8:36
but the one who sins against me harms himself
all who hate me love death.

God wrote the Book.
Some of us read it.
Now we get to watch the movie.

(Playing at a theater right in front of you).

[Mo1]

You didn't ask me, but.....it seems to me the fact that this Judge, in determining that she would not want to be kept alive artificially, not only ordered a feeding tube removed, but also ORDERED that she not be allowed food or liquid naturally (by mouth) is the key. It;s one thing to pull the plug on life support, but another to deny an innocent human being food and water by mouth and mandate that person to die!

Scary ain't it?

[little jeremiah]

They can't create, but they can try to destroy what God has created.

Pure, unadulterated, rebellious envy.

[Mo1]

Greta is a scientology member? Can you verify that?

Greta Van Susteren and her husband, John Coale, rub shoulders with notables in the nation's capital, they involve themselves in controversial legal cases, they like Florida living. But you rarely hear them speak of their religion, Scientology.

[fight_truth_decay]

Legitimate or intelligent was the key word here..morbid

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Added to Terri Bookmark Mountain. Good find. FReegards....

[shhrubbery!]

Yes, the Schindlers were outgunned by the well-heeled death industry -- Felos, "Dr." Cranford, et al.

(Btw, did anybody see "Dr." Cranford blow his gasket on the Joe Scarborough show last night? Calling lovely reporter Lisa Daniels "stupid" because she dared to ask questions Cranford didn't like?!)

Other Monday-morning-lawyering I've heard is that the Schindler's lawyers should've pursued a divorce case against Michael Schiavo much earlier and more aggressively.

[M. Dodge Thomas]

"That" (that it's illegal to buy or sell human organs) "will change."

IMO, probably not –this it is one of the very few “social” issues at the where most of the “left” and “right” are in agreement: the “left” most often because of fears that the less well off (including citizens of other countries) will be pressured to sell organs for the benefit of the more affluent, the “right” mostly because of fear that such sales will “devalue the dignity of human life” and/or that such sales violate basic Christian doctrines or values.

The only people I’m aware of that argue in favor of such sales are 1) “Properterian” libertarians who believe that such limitation violate a body owner's "property rights” and argue we ought to have the right to use our bodies as we wish, and 2) some in the medical profession who believe this would increase the supply of organs available for donation (and latter are almost always talking only about payment for organs obtained after death due to other causes).

[Alia]

Even if its under the guise of "Scientific Research"? In re selling organs? I would think the study of Terri's brain would be a much sought after item -- effects of dehydration, starving; plus possibly in re the onset of her current condition. Perhaps the "autopsy" Mr. Schiavo is demanding aims to do just this; perhaps not. This is my real question. Why is he demanding an autopsy? What will be requested for study in that autopsy?

[hoyaloya]

As none of you addressed the point - I take it none of you can be counted on to defend the country as that usually means innocent people die somewhere.

All of you make the point that Terri is pleading for her life. She's not. To say she is to make a leap in logic and fact to suit your argument. Come on. This has been going on for years. Why is it that she's had nothing to utter about the matter but all of a sudden the family claims "oh yes, she said x, she said y." They'll say anything, that's why.

If you all were to be taken for your word I suspect a living will wouldn't really matter either because that would be suicide, wouldn't it? Assisted suicide is off limits too in your worldview so no one could pull a plug without you damning them to hell.

And, since all of you seem to think my reference to costs makes me a Nazi (how conveniently and easily you slip into the insunuation that conservatives are Nazis, gee, where have I heard that before?) . . . you miss one convenient fact. This woman's lawful husband is making the call. In this case that creates problems because of the dispute within her family. I go back to the point of putting it down in writing. She didn't.

Is Michael's decision within the realm of a reasonable and compassionate response to the situation? Absolutely.

They say you can tell a man by the company he keeps. Well, you guys have the kook from Kansas and Jesse Jackson leading your circus over poor Terri's body. That should tell you something. The biggest grandstanders our country has to offer are leading you over the cliff of reason.

[null and void]

YMMV

(Your Mileage May Vary)

[Alia]

I've written already to others who have graciously responded -- I should have been more specific -- I did not at all think her organs would be usable for another human -- but that her organs perhaps might be "usable" for scientific research. I don't trust the people involved with this mess concerning Terri. I can very well see a "generic" autopsy -- meaning, blah de blah de blah.. but while another report goes elsewhere and money is exchanged.

I just don't trust People who push U-health, Euthansia, and have secret medical meetings while sitting in the highest offices in the land.

Liberals are always screaming about the evil Pharmaceutical industry and "connections" to Republicans. Leftists are fully unaware that the real medical-time-woofers are on their own side of the political aisle, and like to experiment on real people, and without their "genuinely cognizant" consent or knowledge. (Oh, those forms that get signed!) Really uncute. But don't dare experiment on Animals! Heavens, no. And the left fell for this BS so long ago. I remember the attacks on the animal labs at UC Davis, CA. Never forgot.

[Dionysiusdecordealcis]

All of this evidence was in the record that the federal judge (Whittemore) was to review _de novo_. _He_ claimed that they did not adequately make the case for a de novo review, but that's his CYA effort. If Judge Whittemore had done what Congresss asked him to do, all the nurse affidavits, all the counter-Michael testimony that _was already introduced_ in the 2000-2003 court proceedings but simply brushed aside by Greer, would have been taken seriously. Judge Whittemoree punted. Terri's death is his fault, Greer's fault, Felos's fault. Let's keep focused.

It bothers me considerably that, in our justified anger and frustration at the sheer criminality of what has been done to Terri Schiavo we lash out at our own side, at Jeb Bush, at the Schindler lawyers.

Look, a great evil was done by George Greer, Michael Schiavo, George Felos. The article to which this thread responds point that out--the Schindlers were outlawyered by evil people, dishonest people, liars. Place the blame there, where it belongs so that we can keep our focus on what needs to be done to change things.

Blaming the victim only permits the perps to walk free and do it again. Yes, we are frustrated, yes, we are tempted to say, "if only so and so had done this and this." Perhaps, yes, it might have made a difference. But the real villains here are Greer, Felos and the MSM, the RINOs in the legislatures etc. Let's keep the drumbeat there, where it belongs

[M. Dodge Thomas]

"What will be requested for study in that autopsy?"

As I understand it from news reports, the autopsy will be conducted by the corner's office. Such Autopsies are conducted according to the corner's protocol, which specifies a complete procedure for an autopsy, which is followed in every case. Likely, given high profile of this case, it will be conducted by senior staff members, or perhaps personally by the "Chief Medical Examiner" (or whatever the tile is in this particular corner's office.)

Unless the autopsy determines that criminal activity may have been a contributing cause of death, the state usually is not empowered to retain any part of the body. (One exception would be fluid or tissue samples which had been sent out of analysis, and might be retained by the organization performing the tests for legally mandated quality control studies or similar purposes.)

At that point, all or part of the body could be the subject of additional tests by other organizations, but no part of the body could be "sold" or used for commercial purposes.

Given that PVS is a clinical diagnosis, it's unlikely that whatever the result of the autopsy it could conclusively settle the question of mental capacity prior to death.

[Alia]

Thank you very much for sharing this information with me.

[gnan4d]

I don't think you meant to include me in your response, because nothing of what you said addresses anything I said.

Reading your post, it sounds like you are making generalizations (you all make the point, you all think, damning to hell, etc) It also sounds like you are repeating what the talking heads are saying - this has been going on for years - so does that make it right? Or its compassionate - how?

You might think I would never want to live that way or most people would not want to, but do you really know? Did Christopher Reeve want to live that way- probably not, but he still wanted to live - its called being human - we want to live - its in our nature. People that want to die are people who are suffering physically or mentally. Terry is not.

And like I said, when the government (court) steps in and uses hearsay as a fact, and then decides on the side of death, we are in trouble.