Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
No, you said I was "lobbing spitballs" at you. After reams of invective and unfounded assumptions that you heaped on me. You believe that the Chief Executives (George and Jeb) can do nothing more. You seem to want to believe that as you rebuff any attempt to show that it is otherwise. Fine, fair enough. I will not badger you anymore about it. I don't believe it and my understanding is based on study of the Constitution, founding principles of a constitutional republic and dissertations on that which I find compelling.
I will not stop defending or promoting that position unless I am satisfied by reason and logic that it is wrong. I'm not complaining but it seems neither right nor fair to castigate me for that. I have not castigated either of the Bushes but I will state that they have abdicated their duty as long as I see it that way.
Yes....it is US the people who must change the laws about what qualifies as a terminally ill person. Jeb did all he could....and I'm glad he didn't break any law like a liberal would.
There you go again, making assumptions about me.
"Jeb Boosh ish juschst followvink or-durrs."
Where is Senator Zell Miller in this battle? He is a strong voice. Isn't he blasting his fellow democrats on this? I would have expected him to. I hope he is (or will). We need a guy like him right now.
There has been no 'invective' or 'unfounded assumptions' in my posts to you. Please go back and check.........and then continue your monologue without me please....... I won't be reading any further posts by you on this thread, nor replying to them.
(btw, spitballs don't hurt....... and lobbing them does NOT constitute 'an attack'.......only an annoyance).
As far as I know, Zell has been silent on this.
Nope. Classical conditioning. I'm asking that the someone stand up to the court to stop Michael from arranging a boat-ride for Terri with Scott Peterson. Or suggesting she accompany Ronald Goldman as he returns Nichol Simpson's glasses.
What will the response be when the PTB (think Hillary administration) go total confiscation of arms 'for the common good'? That we should change the law so that it can't happen again?
That we'd be docile in the face of evil this time is a good indicator as to how we'll react next time. As an old-dog, I ain't interested in learning any of their 'new' tricks.
Florida has many state hospitals which fall under the jurisdiction of the executive branch. I agree that this would have had to be adjudicated eventually, and I would not have bet on the outcome.
The fact that there would have been a constitutional crisis, other discomfort or even the loss of a political career or two does not change one's obligation or duty. Sorry.
And yes, I do find it amusing that people can't make the distinction between the Constitution and the law. It is further disheartening that my fellow freepers don't understand the separation of powers doctrine.
Just because the media and the liberals will sling crap at us until hell freezes over doesn't get us off the hook in doing the right thing.
Terri Schiavo is helpless and she's getting no support from the people we all trust to preserve our liberty.
Speaking of leadership, we're supposed to lead the world. We're supposed to be the 'shining light upon the hill.' And now we're killing a disabled woman and arresting the children who try to bring her water. It is truly sad.
You conspicuously did not reply to the question in my post to you. When we ask others to participate in civil disobedience, it is only right that we lead the way.
It is only proper that we place our feet where our words have gone.
Civil disobedience may be necessary at times - as when tyranny prevails; the rule of law is corrupted; and remedies are blocked.
But we should never, never advocate it for others and not for ourselves.
Yes. Our dollar is the international currency (for now) and we have unparalled military power, but other than that, it is hubris to baldly state how free and democratic we are. There are several freer countries (and will be more and more), as can be attested to by the growing number of expatriates.
Docile? Seems lots of people are very upset by all this and intend to stay on the backs of Congress, the Senate and elsewhere about this.
Shy of an illegal armed revolt, I don't know what other remedy you had in mind, but I think it would have to be extremely illegal to carry out after the Feds and State courts denied Terri her life.
The autopsy should help in any case I think.
I think the proper remedy will be brought about by the public after the event. This, like illegal immigration will NOT go away.
The events of today are interesting as well.
Terri's husband has leftists death activists and today her parents invited the leftist Jackson to pontificate.
So, the family is keeping the whole debate from both sides in the Democrat/Progressive/Socialist/Communism camp.
Jackson was pushing socialized medicine today.
Greer is a swamprat judge on the take...
Dang!
A "swamprat judge" can make The Child and Family Services, The Governor of Florida and The President of The U.S.A back off?
OK, let's just elect Judge Greer, he will stop Al Quada. :)
<< Jeb Bush's "first and only mistake" was in "trying to help 'you people' ....
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Your remarks unequivocably state that you are delusional.
Mr Bush has no dealings whatever with me nor I with him -- and nor do I, sitting here around 10,000 miles from him, have any connections that might cause you to address me as a plural: -- "you people."
Seeing, however, that your diatribe has invited that I do so, let me add that insofar as is concerned the chief executive of the state of Florida's responsibility to the letter, the spirit and the morality of and to the principles contained within and the Absolute Right to Life afforded every American by our beloved FRaternal Republic's founding Law, Florida's chief executive has demonstrated and is demonstrating his craven subordination of Rule of Law to nothing more nobel than his loyalties to America's unlawful, illegal and un-Constitutional and self-annointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating political oligarchy, to [Push-polled and obscenely misinformed] "public opinion," to political expediency -- and to his ego-driven clinging to what he clearly -- and delusionally -- believes to be his remaining "political viability."
His present line of defense for his refusal to act as the chief executive of the state of Florida has not, thank God, been seen since the Nuremberg Trials, when similarly delusional "defenses" of such actions as his were offered by such as him.
And were promulgated by such as you.
His present line of defense for his refusal to act as the chief executive of the state of Florida have seen to his political demise.
That is, Mr Bush has of his own volition made himself an accessory after the fact of the malicious killing of a, innocent and helpless Human Being -- and by so doing has committed political suicide.
He jumped.
He was not pushed.
Happy Easter.
Blessings -- B A
Maybe you can answer me since the last two posters who have made this point have not. Exactly what law would Gov. Bush be breaking by using his power, as chief executive of the state, and taking custody of Terri through a state agency such as DCF? Name the law and please include the text of the law.
"That is, Mr Bush has of his own volition made himself an accessory after the fact of the malicious killing of a, innocent and helpless Human Being -- and by so doing has committed political suicide."
You make my point.
If Terri were my sister, I'd assume this to be the last resort, given the failures amongst the 'officials' involved.
"Illegal, armed revolt", what the h*ll do you mean? This country was founded upon such. Laws are great, but when they lead to genocide, for even one woman, we reserve the right to kick somebody's ass. It's in the constitution.
Women have born burdens in all societies to such an extent that I (as a brother to three sisters) cannot allow these types of discrimination based upon sex in my lifetime.
Were Terri my sister, I'd have rented a CAT diesel, hardened the cab, and with the bucket at eye level, driven it to the hospice letting everyone know that I didn't want her to be starved to death.
Not being one to wish Middle Eastern type justice upon us, our system of justice had better catch up with "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount to their calling. It is a sad day when we as Americans accept starvation as a tool utilized by the state to keep 'costs' down.
Not having a TV, I saw the pictures of Terri for the first time a couple hours ago.
The pieces of sh*t who are killing her will have to look over their shoulders for the rest of their miserable G-d dam*ed lives.
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